Well our judicial system at least isn't that strict at all, I must say. Yes, other countries also have outrageous punishments and these should also not be tolerated.
I'm sure the porn industry has done some outrageous as well, or artists or musicians, like Damien Hirst or Marilyn Manson. I don't see them going to prison for doing an act.
Apples to oarnges. These are paying performances where people expect to see this sort of thing not unsoliceted raunchy acts in places like supermarkets and churches.
And this has made the news now, but I'm sure a lot of more injustice is happening in Russia. The regime is as corrupt as the borgia family. Putin's opposition is magically disappearing. ... Pussy Riot just made so much noise they were lucky to make the news. Otherwise the punishment might have been ever more severe.
I'm sure there is injustice aplenty in Russia. I don't like Putin either. But there are methods of actual protest and then there are childish pleas for any kind of celeberty one can get. Personally I wish a few of todays reality stars' had to spend at least a few nights in jail to think about other possible avenues to public notoriety.
Has anyone ever noticed that there are no songs with a connection to the current war in Iraq/Afghanistan? World War 2 had songs, the Vietnam war had songs, but i don't see Good Morning Afghanistan arriving anytime soon? Now why is that?
Basically this is what I talked about in my original post. Songs about the war are more or less protest songs or songs that have to do with the consequences of war. That Wikipedia list that Lynch posted did have a couple songs that I recognized, like Green Day's 'Holiday." In fact, Green Day seems to be one of the most outspoken bands about the war.
But the other songs on the list I didn't recognize. Maybe the songs just aren't that good and never got play on the radio. However, I'm inclined to agree with Julie about why this is.
*Puts on tin foil hat*
One theory I have is that the major labels have a policy in place to prevent any anti-war or protest songs from being produced. I think all of these majors are on the same team as everyone in the Bilderberg group/Global Elite/people who are in favor of war and they want to keep any songs that could provoke civil unrest, off the airwaves.
*takes off tin foil hat*
Then again, how did Green Day and a few others get their stuff through?
Plus, you still have the independent labels. They're looking for young talent and you'd think that some band would be discovered who's halfway decent and has something political to say and that band would be signed to make some records. But no one that I know of who's a political band has surfaced yet.
You have a generation of young people who are out of jobs and out of hope and yet they don't seem to care or know how to express themselves. It's almost like they want to keep partying and pretend that everything is okay even thought the world is on the brink of collapse. They seem to be more interested in deluding themselves then being proactive for change.
If I'm a young musician who's out of college, with no money and no job and a bleak future...I would want to write a song about my situation. And it would be a very angry song.
Apples to oarnges. These are paying performances where people expect to see this sort of thing not unsoliceted raunchy acts in places like supermarkets and churches.
MOST of the fans of marilyn Manson paid to see his music, not that he bites off a bats head or whatever he did. (at leats that chicken was already dead, y'know.)
I can't find anything specific about the chicken & museum act, and actually nothing at all on the serious news sites.... Is this even real?
Personally I find Damien Hirst saying that he admires the 9/11 attack more offensive than public sex or political protest in a church. But it's STILL not a reason to put him in jail.
An antisocial act can be criminal but an act isn't criminal because it's antisocial.
I'm sure there is injustice aplenty in Russia. I don't like Putin either. But there are methods of actual protest and then there are childish pleas for any kind of celeberty one can get. Personally I wish a few of todays reality stars' had to spend at least a few nights in jail to think about other possible avenues to public notoriety.
We've all seen the man at the liquor store beggin' for your change.
The hair on his face is dirty, dreadlocked and full of mange.
He asked the man for what he could spare with shame in his eyes.
Get a job you ****in' slob is all he replied.
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues.
Then you really might know what it's like.
Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom, said he was in love.
He said d’ worry about a thing baby doll I'm the man you've been dreamin' of.
But three months later he said he won't date her or return her call.
And she swear god damn if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls.
Then she heads for the clinic and she gets some static walkin' through the door.
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner, and they call her a whore.
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose.
Then you really might know what it's like.
I've seen a rich man beg, I've seen a good man sin, I've seen a tough man cry.
I've seen a loser win, and a sad man grin. I heard an honest man lie.
I've seen the good side of bad, and the down side of up, and everything between.
I licked the silver spoon, drank from the golden cup, n’ smoked the finest green.
I stroked the baddest dimes at least a couple of times before I broke they heart.
You know where it ends. Yo, it usually depends on where ya start.
I knew this kid named Max; He used to get fat stacks out on the corner with drugs.
He liked to hang out late at night, liked to get shit faced, and keep pace with thugs.
Until late one night there was a big gun fight Max lost his head.
He pulled out his chrome .45, talked some shit and wound up dead.
Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all of his pain.
You know it crumbles that way, at least that's what they say when you play the game.
God forbid you ever had to wake up to hear the news.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose.
Then you really might know what it's like.
To have to lose.
MOST of the fans of marilyn Manson paid to see his music, not that he bites off a bats head or whatever he did. (at leats that chicken was already dead, y'know.)
I can't find anything specific about the chicken & museum act, and actually nothing at all on the serious news sites.... Is this even real?
Personally I find Damien Hirst saying that he admires the 9/11 attack more offensive than public sex or political protest in a church. But it's STILL not a reason to put him in jail.
Exactly. It isn't criminal because it's antisocial it is criminal because it steps all over the rights of innocent people trying to go to church or the supermarket without being grossed out. What they did in that church is similar to someone going to a barmitzva dressed in an SS uniform and spouting that the final solution was a just act.
That's the exact opposite of what I meant. The fact is we put people in jail for idiotic stuff while letting criminals go free. I think the average sentence for murder is something like 7 years.
I guess I've said enough here. I know this site discourages political discussion so if you'd like to continue pm that is fine if not I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I think we are gravitating toward a profound level of groupthink in the 'free' world and I find that as alarming as any Orwellian nightmare scenerio out there.
Talk about reflecting our current times, I remembered I had this amazing live performance from Glasto' 2002 still saved in my favourites earlier today, and I played it a couple of times, one of the great unifying pop/dance anthems for this modern fractured insane planet of ours...great sentiment, if totally pie-in-the-sky...
And then I'm watching CNN this morning, and I'm thinking how feeble music really is as a unifying medium, because you can sing all you like about peace and unity, but nothing actually works, because half the world it seems is rioting and calling for a week of mass protests over some crappy 4th rate video film that has only had one public viewing (about 10 people showed up at a rented movie theatre in Hollywood) and it would have taken about 50 bucks at the box office if they'd just ignored it.
I reckon we should organize a week a 'mass-laughter' in response to all the rioting, maybe have some live coverage of the protests on big screens in public parks and other places, and get as many people as possible to show up with their picnics and laugh at them all throwing their toys out of their prams over absolutely nothing.
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