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Joe Boyd
The DNA of creativity

by Anil Prasad

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For Joe Boyd, making music is a personal act. He’s unquestionably one of the 20th century’s most important and influential producers, having helmed landmark recordings for the likes of Nick Drake, Sandy Denny, Fairport Convention, Kate and Anna McGarrigle, Pink Floyd, R.E.M., and Richard Thompson, just to name a few. The Boyd aesthetic is about making recordings that reflect the visceral emotional reality of the artist. His approach is about capturing a live feel, employing tasteful overdubs where required, and avoiding studio gimmickry. He’s also unafraid of pushing artists beyond their comfort zones, forcing them to confront shortcomings, and fighting for a vision designed to make the best record possible, even if it results in friction.

He has also played major roles in the music industry, overseeing the British arm of Elektra Records and running the fabled UFO club in the ‘60s. In addition, he ran his own production company Witchseason, as well as Hannibal Records, which are collectively responsible for some of the most important world music, folk, and folk-rock recordings ever issued. His sonic fingerprints are also found in the film world, having served as head of music for Warner Brothers Films, where he was responsible for the soundtracks of A Clockwork Orange and Deliverance.

Boyd has captured vivid snapshots of his music production and industry escapades in the 2006 book White Bicycles: Making Music in the Sixties. It offers a thorough and engaging look at many of the key, early highlights of his career.

This interview emerged from random encounters with the still youthful-looking 71-year-old at Kronos Quartet and Tony Allen shows in San Francisco during 2013. After running into him twice in three days, Innerviews took the cue from the universe and connected with Boyd for a conversation. We began by discussing Way to Blue and Sing Me the Songs, two live concert tribute albums he recently released, covering the work of Nick Drake and Kate McGarrigle, respectively.

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You’re in possession of the legendary Led Zeppelin/Fairport Convention jam multitracks from the L.A. Troubadour in 1970. Have you ever considered attempting to get them released?

I would never be allowed to release them. The ghost of Led Zeppelin’s manager Peter Grant would come and put a stake through my heart if I ever did anything with them, including putting them up on YouTube. But it was a cool night. There were a lot of memorable things about it. It was Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and John Bonham. John Paul Jones wasn’t there. I don’t think Bonham played much. It was mainly Plant and Page who got up onstage and joined Fairport. They did things like “Hey Joe,” “That’s Alright Mama,” “Mystery Train,” and other stuff. This was after Sandy Denny had left Fairport, so it was the all-male Fairport lineup.

I have some great memories from that show. Now, one of the problems with live recording on a small stage like the Troubadour is the amps are right behind the vocal mic. So, when you go to mix the thing, you’ve got so much signal from the amps spilling down the vocal mics that it’s difficult to get a good sound on the voice. And when you raise the voice by riding the vocal level, you get more of the guitar or bass, or whatever it is nearest to the vocal mic. But with Plant in this case, it was the opposite. [laughs] Plant is so loud that his voice was spilling down the mics in front of the amps. In those days, you didn’t have direct inputs from the amps. You had to put a mic in front of the amp to record it. You didn’t have split leads going straight into the boards. So, Plant would start singing and I’d have almost as much vocal as guitar on the mic in front of the amp because he’s so ****ing loud. There was no danger of the vocal being drowned out by the guitars.

I also remember Fairport doing one of those jigs and reels pieces while Page tried to play it. It was a pretty good attempt and then Richard Thompson took over and played the rest. Page just looked at Richard with this “What planet are you from?” look on his face. [laughs] He just couldn’t imagine how Richard could do what he did, that fast.

My favorite memory though, is Peter Grant. Now, Peter was a thug. Led Zeppelin wanted a thug. They wanted a shark to deal with the sharks. That was the great theory of band management in those days. So, Peter was with them that night. It was late. The band came to the Troubadour after playing the L.A. Forum, a sports arena. Fairport were winding down their last set. The Troubadour was a very relaxed place. Doug Weston, the owner, loved music and was all in favor of spontaneous things happening. But he had to deal with very strict licensing laws. It was a really good evening happening at the Troubadour, but at 2 am, they had to get the booze off the tables, but you could keep playing. So, 10 minutes before 2 am, the waitresses said “Drink up. We have to take your glasses in a few minutes.” At three minutes before 2 am, the waitresses were out there with trays picking up wine, beer and cocktail glasses. Everybody knew this was part of the ritual of the Troubadour. At 2 am, Fairport started playing a ballad called “Banks of Sweet Primroses” with Dave Swarbrick singing. It’s a beautiful song with lots of open space. It just has drums with a little chording from Richard and Simon Nicol, and Dave doing a little riff on the fiddle. It’s very still and silent. And when John Wood and I were listening back to the multitracks, you hear this beautiful first verse, and just at the end of it, you hear this rattle of glasses and the sound of something smashing against wood. Then you hear the voice of Peter Grant yelling “You ****ing bitch! Get your hands off my ****ing glass!” [laughs] He was sitting right near the front of the stage, so it went right down the vocal mic. He didn’t know the Troubadour routine.
 

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What's everybody's opinion on In Through The Out Door? The album gets way too much shit for the synthy stuff. It is actually not that bad at all, just different. And I love Carouselambra especially the atmospheric parts that are peppered throughout the seemingly rambling tune. Ain't nothing wrong with most of the rest of the tracks either! A very mood-based album. When it hits you, it really hits the sweet spot. A very relaxing listen.
 

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Merely only pales in comparison to Zep's previous works.It is their weakest effort,but in a catalog so full of sonic wonders,this is NOT a truly fair assessment..........
 

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It took some adjusting for me. Page's contributions were minimal as he was battling substance dependence at the time. So was Bonham. Jones' had his fingerprints all over it. It was change of style which I didn't mind. What I've loved about the band is they try not to recreate the same things over and over again. I liked the honky tonk swing of "South Bound Suarez" and the blues closer "I'm Gonna Crawl" on it.
 

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What's everybody's opinion on In Through The Out Door? The album gets way too much shit for the synthy stuff. It is actually not that bad at all, just different. And I love Carouselambra especially the atmospheric parts that are peppered throughout the seemingly rambling tune. Ain't nothing wrong with most of the rest of the tracks either! A very mood-based album. When it hits you, it really hits the sweet spot. A very relaxing listen.
It remains the one and only Zeppelin album (including the posthumous Coda album) that has no great songs on it. A few good ones (and that's kind of stretching it) but nothing great.

A humongous disappointment.
 

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^Even Page and Bonham acknowledge that the album wasn't them. Both vowed that the follow up would have a heavier feel. Unfortunately, it never came to pass. It would have been interesting where the band's direction could have taken them. By then, Plant was asserting himself much more instead of Page piloting them without question.
 

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Kenneth Anger: Where The Bodies Are Buried
04 January 2014 By Mick Brown, Esquire

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Kenneth Anger, underground film-maker and documentarian of Hollywood’s dark side, may be the last surviving link between black magic, Howard Hughes, Rudolph Valentino, Alfred Kinsey, Martin Scorsese, Mick Jagger and Mickey Mouse. For Esquire, Mick Brown spends 48 hours in LA with a legend of the counterculture

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Jagger contributed a short piece of synthesiser music that Anger used on Invocation of My Demon Brother (1969). But the principle candidate for the soundtrack for Lucifer Rising became Led-Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page.

Anger had first met Page in 1973 at a Sotheby’s auction, where both were bidding for a manuscript by Aleister Crowley: “He, of course, had more money than I did.” Page was able to indulge his interest in Crowley to the point of buying Boleskine and accumulating an extensive collection of his artworks.

Page provided some music for Lucifer Rising, although it was not used in the final version. His interest in Crowley has reportedly cooled and he now keeps Crowley’s paintings, Anger says, “in the closet, which is strange... Jimmy is very skilled on the guitar, but I have no idea what somebody like him does with his life when not working. I hope he’s having a good time. But he has an unfortunate complex for someone who’s so rich – and he’s earned a hell of a lot of money – and that is he’s a miser. And I find that a very unfortunate trait.

Page's nickname over the years was Led Wallet...
 

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Led Zeppelin's John Paul Jones Joins Reunited Dream Syndicate On Stage



At a recent stop in Todos Santos, Mexico, ’80s underground rock legends the Dream Syndicate were joined on stage by Led Zeppelin bassist/keyboardist John Paul Jones, and former REM guitarist Peter Buck.

Jones joined the band on organ for their classic ‘John Coltrane Stereo Blues,’ which has been known to go on for upwards of 20 minutes at times. The version Saturday night came pretty close to those epic proportions, allowing Jones and guitarist Jason Victor to stretch out, at one point morphing into the Doors‘ ‘Break On Through.’

Video from the Jan. 25th show has surfaced on You Tube. “Check out JPJ’s solo around the 7 minute mark,” Dream Syndicate’s Steve Wynn posed on his Facebook page. “Amazing–I was flashing back to seeing Led Zep at the Forum back in 1976.”

The Dream Syndicate made a lot of waves in the early ’80s with the release of their debut album, ‘The Days Of Wine And Roses,’ which combined elements of the Velvet Underground, CCR, the Fall and Neil Young to great effect. It remains an underground classic. They followed it up with the more polished ‘Medicine Show,’ produced by Blue Oyster Cult veteran Sandy Pearlman. The band split by the end of the decade, but reunited in 2012.
 

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PART 7: JOHN PAUL JONES

Zep's bassist and arranger whose friendship with Page extends back furthest of all: to session work in Swinging London.

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UNCUT: Well, firstly, what did it feel like to be playing with Jimmy again at the O2 Arena?

JPJ: “Pretty damn good. We put a lot of work into it – I had done quite a lot of playing with him, obviously, in the months preceding up to it – and it was really, really enjoyable. It was good fun revisiting the numbers and just playing with a really good player again.”

What’s your assessment of how good he is these days? Is he as good as the Page of old?

JPJ: “Yeah, he really is. He really is. He was always one of my favourite guitarists – I know it sounds obvious, but he was – and as soon as we started in rehearsal, I was just amazed to hear how he’d kept everything and actually improved, I thought. He seemed to have grown since I saw him last.”

It’s difficult for him, isn’t it, because some of those songs have upwards of five or six tracks of guitar on the original recordings – particularly things like “Achilles Last Stand”. So in order to be able to perform them live, at his age, he’s really got to have all his musical wits about him.

JPJ: “He has, yeah, and he certainly did have. Obviously we always used to do songs that had a lot of extra, overdubbed parts, and we used to have to come to some arrangement about doing them live. So we’re kind of used to it, but yeah, you’ve got to be pretty nimble to cover all the important parts so that the song makes sense. And he did it without a second thought, it seemed.”

He came on wearing shades. Is that because he was nervous?

JPJ: “Ha! No, he seems to like wearing shades… for pictures and things like that. It’s a look he seems to go for.”

I know that Ahmet Ertegun was the reason for the reunion talking place, but what do you think it actually meant to Jimmy himself?

JPJ: “Well, obviously Ahmet Ertegun meant a lot to us all. We all wanted to be on his record label in the first place, and so, yes, it was a tribute to a very important man. But the fact that we did a full Zeppelin show, almost… albeit a short one, at two hours… I mean [Jimmy] was very, very happy to do it. I guess it probably… I don’t know, I’m trying to think of your question, it’s a bit open-ended… It’s probably similar to what it meant to all of us, which is: it’s nice to be able to do it, to prove to yourself that you can do it.”

Should we read anything into the fact that Jimmy oversees the releases of things like How The West Was Won and the DVD? Does that mean that he cares more about the Zeppelin legacy than you and Robert?

JPJ: “No, it’s not true that he cares more about it. It’s true that he certainly puts more work into it. I mean, he was the producer in the band, and so it’s more a continuation of those duties, I suppose. But it was his original vision, the band, and it obviously holds a very special place in his heart. But it holds a special place in all of our hearts.”

Can you remember meeting Jimmy for the first time?

JPJ: “It was… I can’t remember what the session was, but it was probably about 1964 and we were booked on the same session. Decca or somewhere like that, up in Broadhurst Gardens [in West Hampstead] where it used to be. I was just really happy to see another young face.” Oh, right, was it all old hands?

“It was all old hands. I think he was the youngest session musician until I came along. We were always really glad to see each other on the sessions, because it meant that you had a young, hip rhythm section. The drummer would be older, I suppose, and [guitarist] Big Jim Sullivan was older, but we were relatively young compared with all the other session musicians.”

Did he have any kind of reputation, the way that Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck did?

JPJ: “Oh yeah. I mean, I remember him having a reputation almost before I turned professional [in early 1963], when he was with Neil Christian & The Crusaders. It was always, ‘You’ve got to hear this guy.’ In fact, I never actually heard him before we worked together, but yes, I knew of his reputation.”

So why was he doing this session work, rather than being in a band himself and travelling up and down the M1 doing gigs?

JPJ: “Well, he did that first. I’m not quite sure how he got into sessions – I got into them via Tony Meehan – although I think one of [Jimmy’s] early sessions was on ‘Diamonds’ [by Jet Harris & Tony Meehan, recorded late ’62]. He’s on rhythm guitar on ‘Diamonds’. I wasn’t on that, but I was in Jet and Tony’s road band in 1963. In those days, to be a session musician was considered the pinnacle of your professional music career. If you got a foot in, at that early age, you kind of held on to it.”
 

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