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Current pop rock vs classic rock
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Soot and Stars
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I think some of this is getting lost in translation, Khorr1255. You answered my Damien Rice query fine. It's when I quoted Aero about his ten year criteria regarding Dead Sara I stated that's not the criteria I was asking about. I was expecting the same answers for Damien Rice as the Dead Sara group. You had answered for Aero on that and that's where I think things got confused. I responded to Aero to say I was wondering about the criteria:
Tell me what's weak, generic, commercial, uncreative and what makes him less of a performer, musician or artist?
I was just clarifying to him that I wasn't asking where the artist would be in ten years because I don't even think the modern landscape works that way anymore. Just clearing that up hopefully.
I'm not saying about the 70's as far as breaking it down that they didn't have any of those elements. I just think the stuff from my generation amplified though qualities I like. A lot of Screamo bands bounce back and forth between a ruff coarse sound and can seamlessly to my ears parlay it into something soft and beautiful to my ears. I think there's more piano rock today where a pop rock sound actually features the piano as prominently as the guitar. I'm good with guitars but the piano is my favorite instrument and I like it mixed with just enough edge using the guitar to give it a rock sound.
I don't claim to be an expert on 70's music or even my own generation. I'm not as naive as you think because I dive head first into 70's music a lot. I have a whole thread dedicated to listening to ANYTHING from that era. If you gave me an example of a band that uses those elements I'd have a good chance of knowing them and agreeing that sure they may use certain instruments. I just don't find enough of it, don't like how it's integrated or that they do it in a way I like. One group I've gotten into is Curved Air but I really liked this more than any 70's music I heard. It was the closest to what I like in modern music that I heard and it came from a Jazz Pop group:
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For James Taylor, Cat Stevens or Jim Croce I guess I'm not into that humbled, laid back, everyman singing to me. I want some ooomph if you are telling me a story. I think if anything folk has integrated more rock into it. Besides Damien Rice, I think David Ford is another great example of this. For Simon and Garfunkel, I find the appeal and beauty in their vocals. It's beautiful and the songwriting is awesome. It has a great mystical quality to it (Sounds of Silence, Scarborough Fair) that transcends time. However the personality behind it almost seems like someone in a choir. Art sounds like the one that's a little too rehearsed and I think anyone can agree Paul Simon is pretty flat as a singer. Here's an example of "Sniper", the song you had a question about. It's a Harry Chapin song and I said I like Harry. It has those same qualities I like in the Damien Rice song. He just goes insane and exemplifies the chaos in the song.
Harry Chapin-Sniper
Whether rough or not the artist just has to really go that extra mile to give me that chills feeling. Here's a song by 2011 artist the civil Wars where it's not just tight harmonies but a chemistry that gives life to the song. It's a cliche love song by nature although they take a simple line "I don't love you, but I always will" and draw so much from it. This duo doesn't just harmonize well together. They play their roles believably and tell a story with emotion. I can see why someone might pull out a song like "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and say they feel more. Arts voice is beautiful on that. That may be my least favorite Simon and Garfunkel hit though. It kkind ofgrates on me for some reason.
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I've been listening to Simon and Garfunkel for the past week or so in stretches and I just don't get pulled in emotionally like with that.
Those are the examples I wanted to draw attention too. It's easier to explain what works with artist with me but with the overall discussion we are having I think we are going in circles dude.
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I have no problem with New Found Glory but why do you think they'd appeal to Classic Rock fans?
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You like organic music, that's all well and good. But you appear woefully ignorant of the goals and conventions of Electronic Dance Music. The percussion is loud and electronic to aid in its danceability. The instrumentation is repetitive in order to create a mild hypnotic effect.
Hating it is understandable, but criticizing it as a botch job for the very aspects that make it dance music, which is exactly what genre Katy is in, and ignoring the fact that this is a well-established style of music 40 years in the making, is just silly. If you don't like dance music by all means, say so, and rail about how much it sucks and why (like PARTS of your post does), but at least acknowledge that Katy Perry is EDM, rather than pretending they're trying to hide something. I mean it's pretty bizarre, it's like saying Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac is trying to HIDE the fact that they're not The Beatles by playing long jams, so that they don't have to show off their harmonies.
Or like like saying "Metallica doesn't make good metal, they sing about war and suffering because they're not good enough to write about loose women and fast cars. They play fast riffs and long instrumental segments because they're not smart enough to play succinct, catchy songs." Because an artist doesn't play an organic genre of music does not inherently make them bad, any more so than Led Zeppelin playing bluesy songs instead of prog songs, or Elton John playing sentimental songs instead of raunchy songs.
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That's great and I'm glad you specifically mentioned screamo bands because they are exacly what I find badly contrived semblences of an actual dynamic interaction. They go from loud to soft at the flick of a switch and - to my ears - lack the emotion of a proper build up.
But this is all just pure opinion. There is nothing inherantly wrong with their approach it just rings phoney to me. Perhaps you believe previous artists lacked the skill to go straight into very loud from very soft without a segway to connect them? In any case this point is pure opinion to me and has no bearing on the skill level of previous artists vs. today's.
I think you have volumes and volumes of classic rock that was extrememly popular to get into. I really envy that. The piano was at least as prominent in the 70s as it is today as far as I know but being that I don't listen to modern stations perhaps I could be mistaken. As far as what was played on the radio, I'd say a good one quarter of songs featured a piano either prominently or as the main instrument and more obscure stuff never shied away from using it either.
But this is another thing that is purely a matter of taste. Any fool can play a piano just as any fool can play a guitar. It's what you do with it that matters.
I'm not calling you naive. I think there is volumes you have yet to hear but that is hardly being naive rather than just plain inexperienced. But if we are going to call inexperience naivite (or whatever) I am profoundly naive about modern music and from what I've heard so far I really want to stay that way. I didn't need to hear every hairspray 'metal' band to know I wouldn't like them and I don't need to hear any more emo, screamo, techno, club, hip hop, etc to know I'm not going to like that. I really don't care about the newer genres and wish them the best. What I don't like is when someone is said to have a timeless sound and a click on the link and it's Christine Agulera etc. But whatever, I've wethered worse.
Everyone from Elton John and Queen to King Crimson and Skynerd used pianos quite a bit so I really don't know where to start there. But as far as the screamo transitions I don't think you'll find anything EXACTLY like it but there are rather abrupt dynamic transitions but usually confined to the beginnings of songs leading into the 'heavier' part.
Well, if you like Curved Air you are off to a great start. I have a feeling it won't be too long before you revisit at some of these posts with a different perspective.
That's great. When I was younger I hated a lot of what I adore today and I still can't get into a lot of what some friends and family are into. You don't have to like everything. Disliking certain things is not being narrow minded, it is simply having a specific taste.
Are you talking lyrics here? In the original post you have a song about a guy who just killed a man and has come to the profound understanding of what he is going to lose (at least in mortal life) vs. what ammounts to a 'you go girl' cheer repeated ad nauseum. And this is not an exception to what I normally hear from pop rock these days. Lyrics are usually the most watered down corporate jinglesque garbage compared to even what they were in the 90s which was nothing like they were in the 70s. I must have misunderstood what you were talking about here.
Example of what? I must have misunderstood you.
Yes, but it is the dynamic interplay between these two very different vocalists that provides the real hook in their sound. If you get together two very similar vocalists with similar approaches to music you just are not going to get that kind of harmony. And this is what is at the core of what I think is wrong today. You have a bunch of businessmen who fancy themselves music lovers sitting together in a room deciding who to put together into a band or what band should get exposure rather than artists having to hone their sound through live performance and various lineup changes decided by the artists themselves. There are exceptions to this formula but big business music has never had as direct a hand in formation of music stars (idols) than they do today. And it shows.
Well, thanks for the examples. They really aren't bad but also aren't anything I'd suffer through top 40 radio to get to. Perhaps you are referring to taste and the intangibles here and I can dig that. But I think there are bigger reasons why music today isn't what it used to be. For better or worse depending on your perspective.Whether rough or not the artist just has to really go that extra mile to give me that chills feeling. Here's a song by 2011 artist the civil Wars where it's not just tight harmonies but a chemistry that gives life to the song. It's a cliche love song by nature although they take a simple line "I don't love you, but I always will" and draw so much from it. This duo doesn't just harmonize well together. They play their roles believably and tell a story with emotion. I can see why someone might pull out a song like "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and say they feel more. Arts voice is beautiful on that. That may be my least favorite Simon and Garfunkel hit though. It kkind ofgrates on me for some reason.
The Civil Wars-Poison and Wine
I've been listening to Simon and Garfunkel for the past week or so in stretches and I just don't get pulled in emotionally like with that.
Those are the examples I wanted to draw attention too. It's easier to explain what works with artist with me but with the overall discussion we are having I think we are going in circles dude.
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Ok. This kind of dance music sucks.
New Pop vs Classic rock shouldn't it be new pop rock vs 70''s pop rock?
Even in that case I like some from both and hate stuff from both.
I think I've got more tolerance for music today than in the 70's. I was very narrow minded back then but still liked alot of music in many styles.
I've always liked dance music although in the 70's it was the grateful dead and new wave bands not disco (although Blondie was a bit). By the early 80's I listened to alternative dance rock but wasn't part of the Madonna or Michael Jackson crazy.
During the early 00's I sort of really opened up. I guess hanging out with dj's and friends that hung at late night clubs got me getting into dance music. Still not a fan of the real pop but plenty other stuff
Last nite it was NERD pop
And I see my baby is up with the big girls now!
Marina
Even in that case I like some from both and hate stuff from both.
I think I've got more tolerance for music today than in the 70's. I was very narrow minded back then but still liked alot of music in many styles.
I've always liked dance music although in the 70's it was the grateful dead and new wave bands not disco (although Blondie was a bit). By the early 80's I listened to alternative dance rock but wasn't part of the Madonna or Michael Jackson crazy.
During the early 00's I sort of really opened up. I guess hanging out with dj's and friends that hung at late night clubs got me getting into dance music. Still not a fan of the real pop but plenty other stuff
Last nite it was NERD pop
And I see my baby is up with the big girls now!
Marina
