Jon Bon Jovi VS Steve Jobs

[ComfortablyNumb]

Going back to the original post, where Bon Jovi states that Steve Jobs is "killing" the music business.

There need to be a distinction there, I think. The music business is the record companies and the $$$$ that comes with it.

I read a great quote at the end of Eric Clapton's autobiography where he basically stated, "No matter what happens to the record companies, the promotors, there'll always be someone making music they love".

So long as there's someone making rock music, making blues music, pop music or metal, or any other genre, music will survive and express itself. It survived years before the music industry, and it can survive afterwards. And that's what's important.

Exactly.

 

[rollingstoned]

I agree with him about iTunes and about the internet ****ing up the music industry completely, but I disagree that it was ALL just Steve Jobs fault. Something this catastrophic like the state of the music industry today can't be one mans doing. There are a lot of factors that have lead the music industry to where it is today.

If you don't think there is anything wrong with the music industry then look at what they are selling on the iTunes.

YouTube - Rebecca Black - Friday (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
What brilliant and inspired lyrics. Tackling such social issues like "which seat should she take?" and "fun fun fun fun fun"


Do you think this girl could possibly get signed and popular back in any other decade that didn't have the internet and was easy to make recordings? NO.

Technology gets better and content gets worse.
Thanks, Steve Jobs.

Wow terrible song! I almost threw up

 

[Hardnecker]

I openly apologize for using the term scumbag, that's a bit harsh and uncalled for. Sometimes my conviction towards certain topics brings the worst out in me. This topic has been something I feel strongly about and the statistics regarding record sales and the rise of the internet are irrefutable. Sorry if I offended anyone. Just don't try and justify downloading copywritten material as harmless to the music industry.

 

[METALPRIEST]

I'm doing my part by making some of my younger friends listen to albums like this. I tell them it's about listening to music and not just playing it in the background while you're doing other things like playing Angry Birds or some other nonsense.

Oh man I had to use part of your post for a facebook status update...hope that's cool.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I openly apologize for using the term scumbag, that's a bit harsh and uncalled for. Sometimes my conviction towards certain topics brings the worst out in me. This topic has been something I feel strongly about and the statistics regarding record sales and the rise of the internet are irrefutable. Sorry if I offended anyone. Just don't try and justify downloading copywritten material as harmless to the music industry.

I could really give a **** about the industry since they have been screwing bands over since day one. Oh well the tables were turned on them and they have no clue how to recover. Makes me laugh at them. True artists will continue to make music and not bitch like Bon Jovi. Real artists who are not money hungry will not car as long as their music gets out there and they can have fans.

 

[Hardnecker]

I could really give a **** about the industry since they have been screwing bands over since day one. Oh well the tables were turned on them and they have no clue how to recover. Makes me laugh at them. True artists will continue to make music and not bitch like Bon Jovi. Real artists who are not money hungry will not car as long as their music gets out there and they can have fans.

This just in, the artists are part of the industry. They deserve to be compensated for their art. Sure, it is in the best interest of some band no one's heard of to put their music out there for free for exposure. I'm not talking about the local bar band that plays to 25 locals every Saturday night. I'm referring to established bands that have a catalogue of copywritten material that "fans" are uploading for people to steal. I agree, Bon Jovi has it wrong. What I'm describing is what has destroyed record/cd sales. It's a known fact. Call me a dinosaur but I support the artists I like rather than steal from them.

 

[Hardnecker]

Oh....and there's this.
"Copyright law protects the value of creative work. When you make illegal copies of someone’s creative work, you are stealing and breaking the law. Federal law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized reproduction, distribution, rental or digital transmission of copyrighted sound recordings. (Title 17, United States Code, Sections 501 and 506). The FBI investigates allegations of criminal copyright infringement and violators will be prosecuted. That means you need the permission of the copyright holder before you copy and/or distribute a copyrighted music recording. For all the public confusion, a long series of court rulings has made it very clear that it’s against the law both to upload and download copyrighted music without permission. It doesn’t matter whether you’re dealing with sound recordings, pictures, software or written text. The courts have consistently ruled that P2P and other unauthorized uploading and downloading inherently amount to copyright infringement and therefore constitute a crime. Are there occasionally exceptions to these rules? Sure. A "garage" or unsigned band might want you to download its own music; but, bands that own their own music are free to make it available legally by licensing it. And, remember that there are lots of authorized sites where music can be downloaded for free. Better to be safe than sorry – don’t assume that downloading or burning is legal just because technology makes it easy to do so. Criminal penalties for first-time offenders can be as high as five years in prison and $250,000 in fines." Wow....it's against the law too. Fancy that.

 

[Magic]

Hardnecker, you are omitting the Fair Use Doctrine. This is an exception to the Copyright laws allowing fair use without the permission of the copyright holder. Fair Use is described as " for the purpose of commentary, criticism, research, teaching, reporting, and library archiving." In other words, I am permitted a "Test Copy" for my own commentary and criticism.

There are plenty of Pay P2P sites where downloading is perfectly legal, since royalties are being paid to the Record labels. Not all downloading/uploading is illegal.

I do not steal anything

 

[Prime]

I could care less if downloading is legal or illegal. Because I download an album to get a feel for the album, and then I purchase it. So...i'm basically hitting two birds with one stone. If downloading were so bad, they would close down all the websites that allow it. I understand there are copyright issues, but it's music, and if it means I will get to listen to a band that I like, I honestly don't care.

 

[Hardnecker]

Hardnecker, you are omitting the Fair Use Doctrine. This is an exception to the Copyright laws allowing fair use without the permission of the copyright holder. Fair Use is described as " for the purpose of commentary, criticism, research, teaching, reporting, and library archiving." In other words, I am permitted a "Test Copy" for my own commentary and criticism.

There are plenty of Pay P2P sites where downloading is perfectly legal, since royalties are being paid to the Record labels. Not all downloading/uploading is illegal.

I do not steal anything

I don't either Magic. Nowhere in any of my posts did I declare that all uploading/downloading is illegal. In fact, I used the band Government Mule and their site as a fine example of the positive side to it. I have been very specific to what is illegal. When the RIAA or powers that be come calling to those who have 100's of pirated copies of copywritten works, let them whip out that "fair use doctrine" to justify it and see how that works out for them. See the numerous court cases regarding this if you doubt me. If you read and understood what that doctrine means you would know that it doesn't apply to blatant pirating of copywritten works.

"The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
The nature of the copyrighted work
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work."Where is the part that covers " I downloaded this copywritten recording because I wanted it for free and didn't want to pay for it?