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You certainly posted some great virtues of vinyl.

The one thing I miss most about my old collection that went up in smoke in a fire years ago, the gatefold album covers, CD's are so lacking in that department.

The thing I Don't miss at all about old vinyl, pops clicks and scratches interfering with the music, a pristine vinyl album is great, but I did wear more than one out over the years and they definitely lose something at that point.
 

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Oh, yes. Yes. I love gatefold sleeves; it's like an added little bonus.

I have "Magical Mystery Tour" (Beatles, of course) on vinyl, and it's not a gatefold sleeve (or is it? I don't remember ...) but out with it comes a picture booklet with a little story on it; the entire package is in near mint condition with the exception of it being out of its original shrink wrap.

Gatefold sleeves are definitely something else, though. It's like, you can take the shrink wrap off if you're the lucky one, and it LOOKS like a regular sleeve from the outside, but, alas, you can OPEN IT and there's liner notes or something in it, and sometimes there's two records with different sleeves . . . I think I've gotten myself into a fuss just thinking about it; it's such a cool concept.

The main trouble with vinyl, though, as you said, is that it's fragile. It acts in strange ways. I was pleased to receive a secondhand copy of Pat Benatar's "Get Nervous" from my aunt on my 16th birthday years ago, because I was looking it over, and it was shiny, perfect, otherwise completely gorgeous. I put it on the phonograph and it skipped all the way through. I couldn't find any surface damage at all. It was so puzzling; it still kind of pisses me off to this day.

One thing I've never really understood is how LPs can get one little scratch and they're suddenly less great than they were a second ago, but 7" singles can be chucked about, stored oddly, exposed to elements, corroded with dust, and all kinds of unpleasant things, but 7 times out of 10 they're going to play all the way through (sometimes with a lot of surface noise, but still).
 

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It is the main drawback with all vinyl, and the reason Digital was so widely embraced when it came out. Shadow has found a really nice cleaning system for a reasonable amount of money, he has even convinced Hep to check it out.

I didn't buy records to just look at, I got every dollars worth of enjoyment out of them, when they wore out I bought new copies.:D
 

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Alright, I've bitten my tongue long enough on this site that I gotta let loose some howls of laughter... not at anyone in particular here, but just at a certain mindset that some people have. It's nothing recent, but as time goes on and technology gets better and better, the though process (to me) become all the more laughable.

Disclaimer1, I haven't read through every single post in this thread, just skimmed over some of it

Disclaimer2, as I said above, I'm not singling out anyone, picking on anyone, etc. I'm simply stating my own opinion of a certain audio mindset that some have. Feel free to throw rocks at your leisure.

What mindset is it that I'm talking about? The mindset that Records, LPs, Wax, Vinyl, etc... whatever name you prefer to use... that these relics sound better than digital recordings and pressings.

I see people that spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on their stereo equipment. When they do this, they aren't typically buying preamps, receivers, etc from the 1970's or 1980s. No, they are spending current earned money for current technology .... and then they go and include a turntable to play their LPs, which there's nothing wrong with that (IMHO), however some refusing to even purchase a CD player or get something cheap and crummy to play CDs on on because "CDs sound like shit".

Huh? How do CDs sound like shit? the only CDs I've seen (heard) that sound like crap are ones that people make themselves from songs they download off of the internet at bit rates ranging from 64k to 320. Different rippers, different software used, etc. Yeah, that makes for a shitty CD. But an official CD, released by the record company compared to an LP? There's no comparison at all.

An example... I grew up with Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon. Knew the album frontwards and backwards. Listened to it a lot. Loved everything about it. Had it on vinyl. Had it on cassette. When I bought my first new stereo with a CD player in it (late 80's), I also bought DSOTM on CD. First time I listened to it I was BLOWN away. I heard little things on that album I had never ever heard before in my life, particularly side one. The sound quality was uncomparable to LPs and cassettes. The more titles I (re)purchased in CD format, the more titles that fell into this same category. Smaller, more compact, more durable, portable, etc. Whats not to love!?

I've been a DJ since the late 80's. I knew other DJs back then as well as other DJs well into the 2000's that had a similar opinion that vinyl was better, but not a single one could ever give me a solid example of why. "It has a warmer feel to it". Um.. ok, if by warmer you mean "crackly, less crisp, and generally lower quality", then yeah I agree it's ~warmer~. I embraced CDs once it became obvious they weren't going away. CD quality NOW compared to 20 years ago? I think it's better. The general recording (or pressing) is basicallly the same, but the techniques have improved over the years.

It's not like turntables stopped improving:

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Dig out $300,000 then add three tonearms and cartridges for another $100,000. I think it will sound pretty decent.
 

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Here it is! The beautiful Atocha record cabinet. The solution to your record storage problems! Each drawer will store ninety LPs meaning it can be configured to hold 540 LPs! The drawer pulls are solid brass. Available in maple, oak, walnut and bamboo. Only $12,500! You know your records deserve the best....

now there is a pic that should make you think, there's a MAC amp which even today will play the best Wilsons or Martin L's and the thing is made 35 years ago when speakers just started, except some ol Quad electrostatics, to sound as good as the sources,
would love to have that MAC, so I'll settle for my Classe'










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Nice article Hep, but that is old news to me. All you have to do is look around at all the great stores that are gone now. we have two or three left that are still supplying great quality equipment at reasonable prices, along with the finest money can buy.

i-tunes is the biggest villain in all this, when they started selling compressed AAC's for More than a CD costs and allowed single song downloads, they changed the face of the industry for the worst. Now you have crappy lossy codecs littering the landscape, and bands that might soon forget How to craft a complete album with more than one or two decent songs. I miss the days of Rogue Disc Jockey's on FM, Album Oriented Rock, and people striving to provide the Best Sound possible in every level of music, from the songs to the recording process and finally our own stereo systems.

I get a wave of nostalgia when I browse the Vintage Electronics section in e-bay now, it is a far better place to spend your money than Best Buy or the other pathetic big box stores.:nw:
 

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Yeah Taha I have visited that site a few times, excellent resource for collectors to check out.:grinthumb
 

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