Worst style of music...... EVER.

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To be fair, though, I am looking at the other side of the card, which would be sensorship. Just because we (meaning you and I) dont consider Rap to music or worthy of it's genre existence, this doesn't give us the right to eliminate it.
Agreed completely. This is how I feel about a lot of things, not just music.

Just because I/you/we do or don't like something or agree with it, doesn't mean we have the right to bury it.

Or the flip side, if I have an opinion on a piece of music, a band/artist, an actor, a movie, a politician, a religious figure, no one has the right to tell me that I can't talk about it. Someone is always going to find fault in an opinion or in a style of entertainment or in a political mindset (etc etc, you get the picture), but having the freedom to express yourself is what makes living in the present time great. As much as I could complain about what's wrong in the world today, it's far better than living in the regime of many past tyranous empires that told you what you could and couldn't do, or even in modern day India with a modernized, yet still old school caste system in place.

So, yeah, just because we dont' like Rap or Prog or Hair Metal or Grunge or Boy Bands or whatever... doesn't mean it should go away... now matter how much we wish it would.
 

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Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of gangsta rap or anything gang related. I also dont consider Rap to be music.

To be fair, though, I am looking at the other side of the card, which would be sensorship. Just because we (meaning you and I) dont consider Rap to music or worthy of it's genre existence, this doesn't give us the right to eliminate it.
I agree. Every form of expression should be allowed in a reasonable setting but the hope would be that people would have enough good music as a reference so they could see cRap for what it is.
 

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I hear plenty of music in Rap. It's not melodic necessarily but it works around a beat which at the heart of things is a basic element of music. I'm not a musician so don't shit on me for not having things 100% right but even with my friends in their bands a lot of times they will base there timing around a beat (the drummer in most cases sets the tone). So when someones rapping they have to base the same rhythm and timing around a beat. That definitely backs up the talent inarguably even if my bid for the musical nature doesn't come through. If it's stripped down to it's essentials so are other things we enjoy like the man and his acoustic or even A Cappella. The basics don't mean it's less music. Not everything is a band of something.

For me, I see talent as this. Can I do it? Can anyone just do it? It's speed, rhythm, timing, flow, diction, etc. Usually people get mad when I bring that up as an example because I/they know it's not something they could bust out and there's an art/skill to it. I'm not even going into rap that does use real instruments or has some singing in it, etc. but the very basic rap. The fact that's there are really shitty examples of the craft that I likely equally hate as much as the rest of you and better examples kind of shows there's a variance of talent and that it is a musical craft.

Now the lyrical nature of it particularly at one point in time was misogynistic, violent and raw. I don't agree with all points of it but at the same time I liked the grittier realistic content. They wrote about violence as there was violence. There was drugs, cop conflict, a fear for ones life, etc. You ever hear of a vicious cycle. Anyone can say what they want but if you are birthed into a vicious cycle then you have no place saying what lifestyle you would live under a certain culture or environment. If anything rap gave people a reason to adapt a skill of storytelling that was a step removed from actively being part of that cycle. It's the same catharsis where writing or music gives us a place to put any negative energy and make a positive.

The same way that rock/metal has had it's very violent, bloodthirsty, hail Satan, sex, drugs and rock n' roll in both past and present there will be some uncomfortable subject matter. Nickelback gets away today with tons of innuendos and that damn Buckcherry "Crazy Bitch" still gets the same crowd in which a grand majority would condemn rap dancing or singing along. It's a no win situation though. If a rap artist sings realistically about a violent lifestyle it's condemned but if the lyrics and content is more dance club, nonsensical fun it's condemned. Simply once someone has a vendetta about a genre they will back it against a corner and it's not like they will ever see it rationally in any sense past that.

The whole thing about rappers just killing each other is a little exaggerated. Biggie and 2Pac! There's your pattern right there yet blown out of proportion. If you want to use the same exaggeration there are plenty of rock stars killed at concerts, killing people through D.U.I.s, burning churches, killing themselves through their own hand or drugs which may as well be suicide, doing lewd misogynistic sexual acts on a grand stage and G.G. Allen! :heheh:

I've always gotten the right to like and hate what you want but your emotions don't back up your feelings on the content. YOU JUST DON'T LIKE RAP! :D It's no deeper than that and the genre doesn't reflect or lose cred based on that. It's still music and a skilled craft in music. It's just not your genre of music. :)
 

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The thing is... every genre of music has its good and bad. There is good rock and then there is bad rock. Similarly, though I don't have much knowledge of it, I'm sure there is good rap out there. Lots of it! It's just that the mainstream hip hop that is thrust in our faces with bikini babes twerking and big fat guys covered in bling is total and utter shit!

I'll admit that I have a little bit of guilty pleasure nostalgia for early 90s gangsta rap... like Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg's Nuthin' But A G Thang... lol. :peek
 

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I'd have to say that personally I don't HATE any genre of music. I am just not into certain genres (like extreme death metal or screamo stuff) and so I won't listen to them. But who am I to stop somebody who gets enjoyment out of them. As long as a music genre doesn't encourage or directly contribute to bringing harm to people, I see no reason for it to be banned.
 

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I'd have to say that personally I don't HATE any genre of music. I am just not into certain genres (like extreme death metal or screamo stuff) and so I won't listen to them. But who am I to stop somebody who gets enjoyment out of them. As long as a music genre doesn't encourage or directly contribute to bringing harm to people, I see no reason for it to be banned.

And no genre ever has. People will only ever get a cursory view of the worst of something they hate. The same people watching the news seeing gangsta violence and thinking that's all of rap will be watching the same program where naive soccer Mom was afraid of the threat of Marilyn Manson causing their innocent kid to shoot up schools after his blood sacrifice and in another instance it will be the same people who think that wrestling is evil because it had one murderer. People form a bias and they become a sponge for that. They will collect anything that helps support either their fear or disdain of such bias. Such is life! :D
 

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Unsure if I got the ball rolling with the Anti-Rap comments, it really wasn't my intent to drag one Genre through the Mud though.
 

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Unsure if I got the ball rolling with the Anti-Rap comments, it really wasn't my intent to drag one Genre through the Mud though.

I don't think it was you. I think it was rocknrollpestcontroll's post right after you and LG's strong agreement to him that started it. ;)
 

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Unsure if I got the ball rolling with the Anti-Rap comments, it really wasn't my intent to drag one Genre through the Mud though.

There's nothing wrong with dragging rap though the mud! :D

None the less, I do agree with Magic's comment:

Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of gangsta rap or anything gang related. I also dont consider Rap to be music.

To be fair, though, I am looking at the other side of the card, which would be sensorship. Just because we (meaning you and I) dont consider Rap to music or worthy of it's genre existence, this doesn't give us the right to eliminate it.

By the way, every time I think of rap, this song comes to my mind (sorry about the bad sound quality, couldn't find a better link:

 

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Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of gangsta rap or anything gang related. I also dont consider Rap to be music.

To be fair, though, I am looking at the other side of the card, which would be sensorship. Just because we (meaning you and I) dont consider Rap to music or worthy of it's genre existence, this doesn't give us the right to eliminate it.

I am against censorship myself and have said so many times but at the same time there are laws on the books about promoting hatred of any kind. I am Bewildered that a generation of kids fell into this morass when it comes to music.

If I never hear the N-word again I will die happy...how on earth that's considered cool by anyone escapes me.

Rap = Rubbish, I will never change my view.
 

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