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There is an interesting article on 13 in Classic Rock magazine, in which Geezer Butler discusses the relationship with Rubin, the position with Bill Ward and the responsiblity for the lyrics. The band's perception of the album is a lot different to mine, in that they feel the reunion was worthwhile as they made such a great album. Butler says Osbourne had the ideas for the lyrics and he (Butler) put flesh on the bones. Bill Ward's absence is somewhat unconvincingly put down to his lack of fitness. Osbourne says he now blames himself for the original split, which is a turn up for the books! Regarding The Osbournes, he says and I quote: 'I'm ****ing glad it's gone.' (So why do it in the first place?)

Understandably, Ronnie Dio's sudden illness and Iommi's cancer permeate the interviews. Tellingly, the guitarist said he thought he was finished. Osbourne, encouragingly says, 'Tony is ****ing iron man, he'll probably outlive us all!' Let's hope he's right. Iommi speaks fondly of Butler and Osbourne, as if his illness has encouraged the bandmates to put their differences behind them, which I found quite touching actually. Chillingly, his treatment, which is ongoing, gave him a numbness and tingling in his fingers. Of Bill Ward, he said, 'You've got to give up at some point.'

Iommi explains that he feels alright, but looks weak because he lost weight and his hair. He adds making the album was important because it gave him something on which to focus through 'the darkest days of his life'. He feels that he does not need to make another album, because he can go out on a high. It puts the reunion in perspective. I'm praying for him and hoping they have one more album in them with another producer and maybe drummer?

Overall, the journalists on the magazine love the album, despite their feeling that there is clipping and too much at that. Dave Everley, in his review, gives it 8 out of 10. In a way, I'm glad the journalists haven't torn it to pieces, but I find it a bit 'wanting'. Everley says, 'It is a million times better than most of what followed [their first half-dozen classic albums]', but this could be rephrased as better than much of what followed, but not all.
 

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The album wasn't one I would tear to shreds like a Chinese Democracy or anything like that but the word waning is definitely an apt word. It felt like an attempt to rehash their old 70s sound but done poorly. Plenty of good riffs written in there and I felt Geezer's bass was produced and mixed really good but the vocals were one of the poor parts of it for me on top of lacklustre material that got at times really repetitive.
 

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Exactly. The first couple of albums were made by recording their live sets on probably eight tracks at the most and was impossible to recapture. I cannot help feeling a better producer could have at least given them the feel of Sabotage with a bit of Heaven & Hell. The rap-rock element was proven not work with Tony Martin on Forbidden. Who the hell is Ernie C anyway?
 
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The album wasn't one I would tear to shreds like a Chinese Democracy or anything like that but the word waning is definitely an apt word. It felt like an attempt to rehash their old 70s sound but done poorly. Plenty of good riffs written in there and I felt Geezer's bass was produced and mixed really good but the vocals were one of the poor parts of it for me on top of lacklustre material that got at times really repetitive.

I try to keep an open mind and enjoy what an old band puts out, like Sabbath in this case.

But, after listening 2 or 3 times to a new offering if it's way below the standards they set early in their careers and no song really grabs your attention then it's bound to be a disappointment.

Simply put, when I want my Sabbath fix I reach for their best albums not their mediocre ones. And that pattern is getting more established as I get older because time is more precious than when I was young.
 

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That's how I was too. I always tackle an album with an open mind and listen a couple of times but this one not only failed to click but I felt really bored with it. I didn't go into this with a lot of expectation thankfully because it to me is a flop. Not a shit album by any means but lacklustre yes to me it is. Even Never Say Die I liked more and I think that one is mediocre.
 

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^^Exactly and it's not like old bands haven't surprised us recently, both VH and Aerosmith put out better albums than "13".

But it's not all bad(Ozzy's vocals aside...:heheh: ), Sabbath is doing a worldwide tour and this will be the last time their fans get to see them, if I am interpreting what Iommi is saying correctly that this is it for Sabbath.
 

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I agree on Aerosmith but Van Halen's album to me was even more boring than 13. lol
Oh the controversy of a daring opinion. :heheh:
 

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^^Roth's vocals > Ozzy's rasping on 13, that swung the balance.

And I like VH's more than Aerosmith's too.:D

Saxon's new album is better than All 3 of these anyway.:tup:
 

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^^Roth's vocals > Ozzy's rasping on 13, that swung the balance.

And I like VH's more than Aerosmiths too.:D

Saxon's new album is better than All 3 of these anyway.:tup:

Valid point on the vocals.
Also agreed on the Saxon. It blew all the albums away. So did Deep Purple.
 

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^^I haven't got the new Purple, but saw a new vinyl copy last week when I was out and about.

Should I get it Rattlehead??
 

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