The Shangri-Las (Official Thread)

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The Shangri-Las

It was not uncommon in the 60's for entertainers to be underage. Melodramatic music driven by teenage heartache was very fashionable during this decade, as were the images of the girls behind the wheel. Many of these groups were composed of sisters, cousins, and friends; their on-stage presence full-force, united in oneness, often wearing the same outfits and hairstyles.

One of the most popular groups of this era was comprised of two sets of sisters from Queens, New York. They attended the Andrew Jackson High School in Cambria Heights, where they became popular for performing in front of their classmates; whether it be for school parties or talent shows, the girls were well-known amongst their peers and soon caught the attention of record label Kama Sutra's Andy Ripp, who acted as their window to success.

Sisters Mary and Elizabeth (Betty) Weiss, teamed up with identical sisters Margie and Mary Ann Ganser formed The Shangri-Las in 1963 and soon became an overnight sensation. Once signed to Kama Sutra, their first single was called "Simon Says", which Mary Weiss sang lead on. The girls were all under 18 years of age during this time; therefore requiring permission from their parents to be able to accomplish anything in the music world.

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1964 Leader of the Pack
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(left to right: Betty, Margie, Mary-Ann, and Mary)

Occasionally lead vocals were shared amongst the girls; however, Mary sang lead on many of The Shangri-Las' biggest tracks, including "Leader of the Pack", "Remember (Walkin' in the Sand)" and "Give Him a Great Big Kiss". Mary Ann Ganser took on lead vocals for "I'm Blue"; Betty sang lead on "Maybe", though preferred to avoid touring until 1965; the Shangri-Las often performed just as a trio because of this.

In 1964, Red Bird Records took on the Shangri-Las. During this time they would find their greatest success; Mary and Betty Weiss, then 15 and 17, and the Ganser twins, 16, were still minors; because of this, it has been said that in the end, The Shangri-Las never saw much profit from their hard work.

It is a little known fact that Billy Joel, then unknown, performed as a session musician for the demo of "Remember (Walkin' in the Sand)", which was originally recorded into a 7-minute long epic. This was something quite rare and unusual during this time; a shorter version was recorded that ultimately be the recording everyone is familiar with, simply because it would be more radio-friendly.

Record producer George "Shadow" Morton was behind the excessive orchestration of the girls' songs; he would later go on to produce the music of Janis Ian and Iron Butterfly. Early in his career he was also close friends of Ellie Greenwich; together they were avid songwriters for New York's Brill Building.

"Leader of the Pack", a song dealing with teenage death, complete with screaming tires and sound effects galore (something also quite popular during the 1960s) went straight to #1 in the United States, and #3 in the UK, despite the BBC's reluctance to play the single, and its initial ban. It has been said that to achieve the sound of a revving motorcycle, one was actually brought backstage during live performances. Sound effects were also present in "Remember (Walkin' in the Sand)" though were said by Morton to have been accomplished via a sound effects record.

"Leader of the Pack" knocked the Supremes AND the Beatles out of the way to claim its spot on the charts, just to give an idea of how popular these girls had become. It is widely believed that when Mary was in the recording studio, she put so much emotion into the songs of the Shangri-Las, that tears were literally streaming down her face while she sang. They were also very friendly to everyone, especially Mary and Margie, who had time for anyone, to greet with a warm smile and sincere affection. Never too busy for an autograph or casual conversation, the girls were even known to hand out candy to the neighbourhood kids when they were out and about.

While the girls were on the road, Mrs. Ganser became their official chaperone, despite having another son on the road as a minor-league baseball player, and two other children at home. Donned in matching outfits for many of their performances, they were marketed with a sort of "bad girl" image that would illustrate their existence in musical history for years to come.

Despite their popularity, their debut LP "Leader of the Pack" only charted at a disappointing #109 on the US album charts in 1964. 10 of its 12 tracks were composed by Morton.

Once the girls had reached a popularity earning them spots in shows featuring groups such as The Byrds, The Nashville Teens, The Beach Boys, and Del Shannon, Mrs. Ganser was overwhelmed with the amount of time needed for her to continue being their chaperone, turning over her title to the officials at Red Bird Records. The Shangri-Las had even performed with motown acts such as the Drifters and James Brown (who, according to Mary Weiss, were pleasantly surprised to find that the girls were white!) after being listed by Cashbox as "the year's no. 1 R&B group" in 1964.
 
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Due to the girls' background, their tough girl image wasn't far fetched from their actual personalities. Margie fancied a go at the pool table; Mary Weiss was at the attention of the FBI after taking a firearm across state lines (to which, her defense was that it was for self-defense), and the group often played practical jokes on themselves and others. Since minors were not allowed to party or be involved with other musical acts, the girls were often left within the company of one another, thus having to find ways to keep themselves occupied on the road, and backstage.

The Shangri-Las were summoned by Revlon cosmetics in 1964 to create recordings for a promo disc; they appeared on tracks listed as "Dating Courtesy Tip(s)". Even during the time when they were most popular, the girls were never guilty of having inflated egos; in a business where it's difficult to stay true to yourself, the Shangri-Las made it look like child's play.


In 1965, UK television hour Ready, Steady, Go! invited the Shangri-Las to perform. Originally they were to perform "Leader of the Pack", but at the last minute, the producers felt the song was too violent and settled for less offensive titles. During their stay in the UK, the girls shared billing with Dusty Springfield, and the Zombies. They even gave a kind mentioning to Wayne Fontana & The Mindbenders, who they said, in an interview with a British magazine, that they "liked the sound of" and that teenagers should keep an ear open for them.

Toward the end of 1966, the Shangri-Las' singles were failing to chart in the United States, but continued to be popular in England and Japan. Lesser-popular singles by the girls included the following:

"I Can Never Go Home Anymore"
(b/w "Bull Dog") (US #6, 1965)

"Give Him a Great Big Kiss"
(b/w "Twist and Shout") (US #18, 1965)

"Give Us Your Blessings"
(b/w "Heaven Only Knows") (US #29, 1965)

"Out in the Streets"
(b/w "The Boy") (US #53, 1965)

"Right Now and Not Later"
(b/w "The Train From Kansas City") (US #99, 1965)​


In 1966, Mary Ann Ganser left the group, though returned once her sister also left. The Shangri-Las were slowly beginning to fall out of place; Betty Weiss, who had not been part of the touring group from the beginning, began touring to keep up the pace. After Red Bird records went under, many unreleased recordings of the Shangri-Las, as well as lyric sheets and other memorabilia, were sold for pennies apiece.

The girls soon signed with Mercury records, though failed to find success with this new rendez-vous. Thus began the swift decline of the Shangri-Las. Rather than releasing an album with new material, Mercury released a Greatest Hits record. Sadly the blow of disappointment could not be softened by returning to Morton; he had long since become wrapped up in a side project with Iron Butterfly, and, despite the single he cut with the girls, "Take the Time", he never worked with them again after 1967.

Toward the end of 1968, the Shangri-Las decided to go their separate ways for a short while, and take a break from the music business to catch up on some of the things success had robbed their adolescence of, such as parties, dating, education, and serious relationships. It appeared they had simply vanished from the music scene; the girls had received very few royalties from the millions of records they sold, which deeply upset them. Their earnings were just enough to buy their outfits, and pay for all of their own transportation, as opposed to the pampered lives of today's musicians.

In 1970, Mary Ann Ganser was experiencing major health problems that left her prone to seizures. As she was recovering, she visited a friend, who witnessed Mary Ann's last seizure. Help was on the way within minutes, but upon arrival it was too late. Mary Ann Ganser passed away at the age of 23. Her death has been under speculation for many years; it has also been argued that she died of encephalitis or from a barbiturate overdose, but the seizure theory has been nabbed from a site written by a relative of the Gansers, and has become the most acceptable cause of death of the three.

The surviving members of the Shangri-Las continued to make appearances on the circuit during the early 70s, but eventually disbanded for good in the late 70s. Margie Ganser got married in 1972; Mary Weiss was married in 1974. Mary's sister Betty was the only Shangri-La to have a child; she was married the same year as Margie.

Once in the working world again, the girls took on a good many typical jobs: Mary Weiss worked as a secretary while attending night classes, eventually going on to become an architectural agent. During the 80s she owned and managed her own furniture store. She was also present at the World Trade Center during the terrorist attacks of 2001; luckily she was able to escape and remained unharmed.

Betty Weiss once worked for cosmetics company Charles of the Ritz, Manhattan, and eventually opened up her own company in Long Island.

Margie Ganser worked for telephone company NYNEX out of Valley Stream, New York. However, tragedy struck her life when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in 1994. She passed away in 1996 at the age of 48.

Mary and Betty Weiss are still alive and well; Mary recorded an album called "Dangerous Game" in 2007 and is reportedly working on a new record to be released sometime this year (2010).

Though the Shangri-Las were only part of the mainstream's consciousness for as little as 5 years, they went on to influence many other musical groups long after their retirement from the business; covers of some of their most well-known hits were recorded by the likes of Blondie ("Out in the Streets"), Aerosmith ("Remember (Walkin' in the Sand)" ) and even the New York Dolls (grabbing the intro from "Give Him a Great Big Kiss").

A little personal input: I absolutely love these girls. Mary Weiss is such an inspiration; I have always been amazed that she was able to perform with such power and emotion even at her young age in the early 60s. The Shangri-Las outnumber many other artists in my library on last.fm; they're probably my most favourite band of their kind (aside from the Ronettes).

Thoughts/comments on the Shangs are very much welcomed. In my opinion these girls never got the attention they deserved.

Colour restoration from my album(s):



My top 5 personal favourites by The Shangri-Las:

05. Give Him a Great Big Kiss
04. Heaven Only Knows
03. The Dum Dum Ditty
02. Out in the Streets
01. I'm Blue
 
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This is a fabulous album cover by the Shangri-Las:
 

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I like them but they are not one of my favourite 'girl groups' .. This is my favourite tune by them ...



Thanks for posting this, I had never heard it before, just Aerosmith's cover of it. Very cool!
 

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Such a wonderful write-up on the Shangs (as us fans prefer to call them). I always liked their popular songs so I ended up buying that Myrmidons of Melodrama when it came out because I wanted a compilation. I wasn't prepared as to how good the other songs were! There was definitely more to them than just Leader of the Pack and Walking In the Sand. They were bad girls - they put out, cheated, hung out with the wrong crowd and had boyfriends die on them (the body count is ridiculously high in Shangri-Las land). They always went for the guy they knew they could never keep but that didn't stop them. Regrets? They had a ton of them. It's quite a journey when you listen to MoM straight through.

My favorite songs are Train From Kansas City and Out In the Streets but I love them all.
 

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Great Write-up!! Great Group!! I became aware of the Shangri-las in the early 80's shortly after picking up Johnny Thunders 'So Alone' record with his great cover of "Give Her a Great Big Kiss". It is a great piece of Rock & Roll & once I found out the Las did it originally I had to check them out. I knew they also did 'Leader of the Pack' but when I also found out they did "Remember..." & "I'm Blue I was hooked. I had heard a live recording of the NY Dolls from '76/'77 (which had only 2 original members Johansen & Sylvain) & they had covered "Back in the Streets" which Ace Frehley of Kiss also covered on a demo from '83/'84. In 1985 the NY Dolls released a compilation titled 'Night of the Living Dolls' which featured an unreleased demo of "Give Her a Great Big Kiss" from the early 70's. On 1983's 'Too Much Junkie Business' cassette only release by Johnny Thunders,included was a live version of "Great Big Kiss" which Thunders sounded out of it. He had girl's singing backing vocals & as the girls asked "Hey Johnny What color were her eyes?" Johnny replied by saying "I don't know I'm always too F@&ked up
I Can't see!".

Yes, the Shangri-Las had an influence on many artists & besides the songs I mentioned Aerosmith covered "Remember...Walking in the Sand", the 5678's covered "I'm Blue", & Twisted Sister covered "Leader of the Pack"(this was marketed for MTV but a more Raw version was released on an EP a few years earlier & resurfaced on 1999's Club Daze
 

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Interesting connections there between the Shangri-Las and the New York proto-punk and glam rock scenes!

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Johnny Thunders looked like Ronnie Spector and wanted to be a Shangri-La. How cool is that? The Dolls made it acceptable to like the old girl groups again.

On a slight change of subject, any Shangs fan would be doing themselves a big favor if they picked up Mary Weiss's debut solo album from a couple of years ago called Dangerous Game, that's if you haven't already. It's an updating of the classic Shangs sound mixed with garage rock and sounds so much better than it has a right to considering Mary was out of music completely for decades. I hope she does another album.
 

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Johnny Thunders looked like Ronnie Spector and wanted to be a Shangri-La. How cool is that? The Dolls made it acceptable to like the old girl groups again.

On a slight change of subject, any Shangs fan would be doing themselves a big favor if they picked up Mary Weiss's debut solo album from a couple of years ago called Dangerous Game, that's if you haven't already. It's an updating of the classic Shangs sound mixed with garage rock and sounds so much better than it has a right to considering Mary was out of music completely for decades. I hope she does another album.

Thanks for the info I'll definitely have to check out 'Dangerous Game':cheers2

Thunders grew up listening to his sister's records of those girl groups so him wanting to be a Shangri La is pretty cool. A few years back Ronnie Spector did a real cool cover of Thunder's "You Can't Put Your Arm Around a Memory"
 

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