Bombshell:"Peter Criss never wrote Beth"-Paul Stanley

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In the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine, KISS frontman Paul Stanley and original KISS drummer Peter Criss spar over the band's hit ballad "Beth", which holds the disctintion of being KISS' highest-charting single in the U.S., having reached position No. 7 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart back in 1976. Criss claims to have co-written the song with the late Stan Penridge while Criss and Penridge were in the band CHELSEA. In the song's original version, the title name was "Beck" after Becky, CHELSEA bandmate Mike Brand's wife, who often called during practices. Criss later received a People's Choice Award for the track, which was heavily tweaked and arranged by producer Bob Ezrin for the "Destroyer" album sessions.

Despite the fact that Criss is listed as a writer, along with Penridge and Ezrin, in the song's official credits, Stanley claims the drummer had little to do with its creation. "Peter can't write a song, because Peter doesn't play an instrument," Stanley told Rolling Stone. "Penridge came up with [sings], 'Beth, I hear you calling...' Peter had nothing to do with it. Because if you write one hit song, you should be able to write two. That's the reality. Devastating? It's the truth. It was a lifeline that Peter hung on to validate himself, but it wasn't based on reality."

"Paul is so full of ****ing shit," countered Criss, "'cause as a lead singer of the band he never got to write the hit. That's his problem. They hated the fact that I wrote a hit record and won a People's Choice."

In a 2000 interview, Penbridge was asked how "Beck" was written and how much of it Peter was really responsible for, if any. "'Beck' was written, almost word for word, from Mike Brand's responses to his wife's constant calls that interupted our rehearsals," Penbridge explained. "It got to the point where I wrote down his remarks over a period of 3 or 4 days in what I called my 'wizard book.' It was merely a small notebook I carried to jot down silly sayings, sketch in, anything....to save ideas. If you look at the lyrics and view them as a hen-pecked hubby's remarks to his nagging wife, you'll see what I mean. Just pause after every sentence and pretend there's a bitch at the other end of the line. You'll catch it — I'm sure."

He added: "[Peter was] absolutely not responsible [for it] at all. Another poorman's copyright by me in '70."

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But Peter was responsible for bringing the song to a band who could do something with it and the vocals in the finished mix.

Elvis Presley Had about as much to do with most (if not all) of his hit songs.

Is Peter Criss a master singer songwriter? No. But then he did sing on some of the coolest Kiss songs there are.

So there's that...
 

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Will this never end...:nw:

I'm not even a big fan of "Beth" but to deny Peter's part in making it a hit whether he wrote it or not is petty. I usually like Paul when he makes a statement but in this case he should be secure enough in his own accomplishments to be the bigger man and leave this one highlight for Peter Criss to enjoy.
 

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Well, like always, Paul makes outrageous comments that expose a bewildering amount of ignorance. Is it wise for him to let people know how little he knows about music??

"Peter can't write a song, because Peter doesn't play an instrument."

Plenty of legendary songwriters would disagree with you on that, Paul, including Jim Morrison. In fact a good number of the top professional songwriters don't play instruments and strictly come up with lyrics & melody. The hypothetical situation here has Criss writing it with two other people, so what argument Paul intends to be making here, if any, is beyond comprehension.

"If you can write one hit song, you can write two hit songs. That's the reality."

The existence of millions of one-hit wonders staunchly disagree with this "reality." I think Paul's reality must have leprechauns and unicorns as well.

Look, if Criss didn't write the song, Paul is feel to say that and make that known. But he should refrain from getting into the finer details of it because Paul Stanley clearly doesn't know what the **** he's talking about.
 

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It seems Paul was having an uncharacteristically petty day and someone caught it on tape.
 

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Paul has been very cranky these days...sort of hateful a bit too.

Makes me sad...c'mon Paul...you got Rock and Roll All Nite
 

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And at least 20 other ones that I like. And believe me, that is a tough sale.
 

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I've heard this story from both Gene and Paul and both of their stories pretty much match. There is a good piece of audio from Gene out on Youtube (I'll look it up later) talking about Peter and his inability to write or drum properly or the fact that he couldn't read music. While I like Peter's voice on many of the songs he sang, I don't doubt his inability for songwriting as his solo album with the band and his post-KISS solo work is very very subpar.
 

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It seems Paul was having an uncharacteristically petty day and someone caught it on tape.


You may shit a brick when you read his new book then, because he goes on a tear on a lot of people, including Gene, Peter and Ace. Apparently Gene read it before Paul had it published and he didn't have any qualms about what Paul said, and believe me, from what I've seen... Paul was NOT very nice about Gene in a lot of areas.

I think that Paul has been pretty quiet for many years regarding things and once you read his new book, you'll know why.
 

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The existence of millions of one-hit wonders staunchly disagree with this "reality."
Peter IS a one-hit wonder if you get right down to it. His "one hit" with the band was Beth, which we've been told really wasn't even him so much as the other two guys. Peter's solo career is filled with zero hits. KISS on the other hand is NOT a one-hit wonder and with the creative team (like them or not) surrounding Peter, you'd think that if the other guys in the band could come up with numerous hit songs, why couldn't Peter... unless of course if Peter didn't really come up with any.

I think that's the point Paul was trying to make with that comment. (just guessing though).


Look, if Criss didn't write the song, Paul is feel to say that and make that known. But he should refrain from getting into the finer details of it because Paul Stanley clearly doesn't know what the **** he's talking about.
a guy who's written a LOT of songs and been in one of the most successful and long-lasting bands of all time doesn't know what he's talking about? Heh, ok, if you say so.
 

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