Black Sabbath 13: mastered too loud

[LG]

Simple question, is there a device that allows you to add 11 speakers to a 4 speaker system? I know if the speakers are 8 or 16 ohm you can double them up but does that mean a 16 ohm speaker allows you to run 3 per output?

Sorry for the off topic but I'm trying to save my brother in law some cash while still having his whole restaurant wired.

I am not sure Khor...I wouldn't want to run that many speakers off one amplifier unless it was designed for a PA system.

I can run 9 speakers and 2 subwoofers from my surround amplifier but I would make sure all of them were the same impedance even if the amp can adjust to each pair.

2LT......RS lives over 2,000 Km's from where I am so having a beer together is not an option I'm afraid.

AAG...totally disagree with you, listen to Abbey Road, recorded in 1969 and then explain why the Morons in the studios today have ruined their profession? In this case the wheel didn't need to be re-invented. NO album should ever be loud at 2 or 3 on your volume control. You should be able to crank up your amplifier to 5-6 easily and still have room to really open it up if you're in a party mood and nobody is home. I could show it to any of you easily in my listening room how a recording should sound without any problem. The LOUDNESS war is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in 40+ years of being a music addict and the only explanation I can offer is the i-tunes/i-pod connection for some reason everything is aimed at that one device now and that's just plain stupid.

 

[AboutAGirl]

AAG...totally disagree with you, listen to Abbey Road, recorded in 1969 and then explain why the Morons in the studios today have ruined their profession? In this case the wheel didn't need to be re-invented. NO album should ever be loud at 2 or 3 on your volume control. You should be able to crank up your amplifier to 5-6 easily and still have room to really open it up if you're in a party mood and nobody is home. I could show it to any of you easily in my listening room how a recording should sound without any problem. The LOUDNESS war is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in 40+ years of being a music addict and the only explanation I can offer is the i-tunes/i-pod connection for some reason everything is aimed at that one device now and that's just plain stupid.

Abbey Road on vinyl? Sure, definitely. Abbey Road as mastered in the late 80s or early 90s for CD? Yuck, terrible. CDs from that era sound like a piece of tinfoil filtered through a cheese grater to me. Digital is a very different medium from vinyl and that's where the loudness wars come in. There's a reason why CDs continue to be mastered this way despite resounding dissent from the vocal minority of audiophiles. People like it, people appreciate it, it's a sound that works optimally with this medium. Loud has always been better in my book.

I like my music to be very loud. I can turn old CDs up to full volume and they're not even half as loud as I need them to be. It's great if you don't personally like music that loud, but the loudness wars have been invaluable to me on that front. I don't have the greatest hearing to begin with, so while some would say "master them mid-range and people can always turn them up louder," I say "master them loud and people can always turn them down." The volume nob only goes so high, and I can't make my ears hear any louder than they naturally do. On the other hand the volume nob always goes down to zero, so it can always be as soft as anyone wants it to be.

'Course we can agree to disagree.

 

[Riff Raff]

I don't mind an album being loud but not if it makes the music sound choppy and way too distorted. Needs a balance for me to enjoy the music more.

 

[LG]

My last comment about all this...for now anyway.

I have a question for all of you who have grown up in the digital age.

Do all of your gadgets have a volume control built in?

Also most of them have equalizers installed, so you can customize the sound to your satisfaction. I know my Sansa does.

The last time I went to a movie I was almost deafened by how loud it is now. The damned loudness phenomenon has made it to the theaters now so that is one reason I don't go anymore, my right ear simply can't take the SPL's. That is ridiculous and I'm not the only one who's complained.

Anyway you don't need LOUDNESS built in to anything at the recording stage. We have always had enough control on our own devices to play with the source and get whatever sounds good to you.

By being complete idiots and ramping up the volume at the recording/mixing stage you are defeating the entire need for any personal controls.

When you listen an album it's not just about the volume, it's about the depth, the soundstage the distance between the instruments, on a good quality stereo when you turn up the volume the sound gets "bigger" not just louder.

Loudness ruins a recording, it's like playing it with the loudness button pushed in on my old receiver right at the onset.(It was a feature designed for low volume listening, almost everything made in the 70's/80's had a Loudness bias control, similar to the FM radio stations who used to modify the sound as well.)

For old records transferred to CD it's Ruined the balance completely, and most of you would agree if you ever heard the difference between the original and the digital copies.

 

[Khor1255]

I am not sure Khor...I wouldn't want to run that many speakers off one amplifier unless it was designed for a PA system.

I can run 9 speakers and 2 subwoofers from my surround amplifier but I would make sure all of them were the same impedance even if the amp can adjust to each pair.

My question wasn't whether it was wise to piggy back onto each channel so much as it was a question of whether they make a device that allows you to add speakers to a system (a sort of speaker splitter if you will)?

I can see I wasn't clear enough in my initial question. Sorry about that.

 

[coltrane2]

My last comment about all this...for now anyway.

I have a question for all of you who have grown up in the digital age.

Do all of your gadgets have a volume control built in?

Also most of them have equalizers installed, so you can customize the sound to your satisfaction. I know my Sansa does.

The last time I went to a movie I was almost deafened by how loud it is now. The damned loudness phenomenon has made it to the theaters now so that is one reason I don't go anymore, my right ear simply can't take the SPL's. That is ridiculous and I'm not the only one who's complained.

Anyway you don't need LOUDNESS built in to anything at the recording stage. We have always had enough control on our own devices to play with the source and get whatever sounds good to you.

By being complete idiots and ramping up the volume at the recording/mixing stage you are defeating the entire need for any personal controls.

When you listen an album it's not just about the volume, it's about the depth, the soundstage the distance between the instruments, on a good quality stereo when you turn up the volume the sound gets "bigger" not just louder.

Loudness ruins a recording, it's like playing it with the loudness button pushed in on my old receiver right at the onset.(It was a feature designed for low volume listening, almost everything made in the 70's/80's had a Loudness bias control, similar to the FM radio stations who used to modify the sound as well.)

For old records transferred to CD it's Ruined the balance completely, and most of you would agree if you ever heard the difference between the original and the digital copies.

I could not agree more LG. Listen to the mastering quality on Rod Stewart's Every Picture Tells A Story. Incredible depth, warmth and space, especially on a good vinyl copy.

I think the truth is that music is less important to most people than it was in the 60's, 70's and 80's. As such, commoditised like a bar of soap in super markets, the people who really appreciate the album experience and sound quality (e. g. Us on this forum) are marganalised like stamp collectors. C'est la vie.

 

[2LITTLETIME]

My last comment about all this...for now anyway.

I have a question for all of you who have grown up in the digital age.

Do all of your gadgets have a volume control built in?

Also most of them have equalizers installed, so you can customize the sound to your satisfaction. I know my Sansa does.

I use volume limit on my i tunes and keep the volume low.I do not want to damage my ears.I do not use the eq facilities and have them flat.Every single cd and download sound different.Some amazing and some so so.The real test of quality is when they go through my flat monitor speakers where the sound is not false or coloured.Most stuff sounds good with a few exceptions.I can appreciate the vinyl craze but i am a minimalist and i dont think i could get away with the wires and clutter.My issues have issues lol.

 

[Squidbilly]

So if I buy this cd at,Lets say Walmart,Its gonna sound like shit?

 

[LG]

^^It depends what kind of sound you like Squidbilly, apparently there are people who don't mind the "Loudness War" and what it's done to CD's.

I was thinking about this and if I remember correctly the JVC SHM Japanese CD's were the first to tamper with the default master volume of their CD's. I remember reading that a few years ago.

 

[Squidbilly]

Say LG,I know ya spoke on the quality difference of the jap Cd's compared to-
I can't remember what they was
The 13 album that I sampled(Full lp/cd)on Ytube I only got 1/2 way through it but I could detect some rough spots on a few tracks but the majority of it sounded pretty clean&or what Sabbath is suppose to sound like&thats with goin through my stereo with the Fishers at less than 1/2 volume.
How would we really know the actual sound it was suppose to have without having the original masters before they bumped up the loudness to compare?
Were stuck with what we got