Hi Soot, very good post, you almost convinced me!! But not quite! ALL people who drink and drive are 100% confirmed morons, period, and that would include Vince Neil, Billy Joel, Springsteen, the starting pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles, The Pope, you, me, and my favourite grannie. Though to be fair Billy Joel has no actual DUI conviction as far as I am aware, and has been in rehab a few times, and never been charged with anything??? Whereas Neil Vince has at least 3 or 4 convictions for DUI. Plus, Vince was a drunk driver way back in 1984, when he killed that guy and caused brain damage to two other people, and he was still a clearly unrepentant drunk driver 27 years later in 2011, which is when his most recent DUI conviction was. So the big difference is that despite killing a person, and seriously injuring two others, Vince still drinks and drives, and he has happily done so for over a quarter of a century, so he has no conscience about what he did and the life he took, and he continues to repeatedly and quite happily get into a car in an inebriated state where he can possibly kill even more people. Any normally moral person who had gotten drunk, and killed a person via vehicular manslaughter, would never pick up a glass again. But to kill a person, and to then just keep on driving whilst drunk as if nothing happened - and to get multiple more DUI's - makes him about as worthless as a person can get. All this is strictly IMO...nobody here is the 'moral police' despite appearances to the contrary!!!...but there are just some things in life that are so WRONG that they simply beggar belief.