First metal band?

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And if anyone got close to Metal before Black Sabbath came along, it was Jimi Hendrix.

Go to 1983(A Mermaid I should be) and not only is it what Iron Maiden ripped off for Children of the Damned, but listen at about 10:42, it starts. It turns into total, ****ing metal. At 11 minutes in it is pure shredding. Crazy. 2 years before Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath came out.
 

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sorry to go off topic, but has anyone found an Iron Butterfly song besides In da gadda da vida" that they like?


I think the LP Ball by Iron Butterfly has more "exceptable" songs as far as liking their music compared to the In da gadda da vida LP.. But.. as for the question are they one of the pioneers of the "metal" sound???.. I think they are more Psychedelic with a metal twist..
But I'm agreeing Black Sabbath would most likely own the crown for being the first real metal band..
 

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If you want to really give credit where credit is due, then the roots of metal go way before the modern metal that everyone is mentioning. Classical music is where it all began. Why do you think so many metal bands incorporate classical music into their work? !!! (this is a statement more than a question)

Dmitri Shostakovich's (1906-1973) violin concerto's have the same power and fury of any modern power/speed metal.

Exhibit 1:



Next give this a try Alexander Mosolov (1900-1973):




This music is very intense, and has all the elements of metal.
 

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^^I've often said that myself, that it all starts with the great composers. Shostakovich is one of my personal favorites, I have a complete set of his works in the house, among others.:mn:
 

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An old friend of mine posted a concert review from either 1968-69 about Sir Lord Baltimore, that called their music, "Heavy Metal". He swears that it was the first printed article to describe a band's music using that term, which soon was immortalized by Black Sabbath, who were no doubt the first Giant Heavy Metal band. While others flirted with the sound Sabbath embraced it and took it to a completely new level, and achieved everlasting fame as a result and for that I say "Thank You".:bow:

I would have to agree. Sabbath's debut was heavy with a blues context. Sir Lord Baltimore's Kingdom Come was straight ahead blazing hard rock (proto-metal).
 

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MM's point and I heartily agree AAG, is there is not much modern music that hasn't been written already by the great composers in Classical music.

I can detect all kinds of similarities between all kinds of modern music and my classical albums.
 

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MM's point and I heartily agree AAG, is there is not much modern music that hasn't been written already by the great composers in Classical music.

I can detect all kinds of similarities between all kinds of modern music and my classical albums.

I dig it, man, I agree completely with your last sentence. There can be no question that classical music is a massive and consistent influence on nearly every branch of metal, and that classical music's presence reverberates heartily to this day throughout modern music. I am not arguing against that and never would. Many forms of metal have more in common with classical than they do with rock.

But you're talking about two seperate things here, man. It's one thing to say that classical music is an influence. It's another thing to aggrandize it preposterously and say that all of modern music was "already written" by classical composers, which is clinically insane and terminally silly. I know you're just spinning hyperbole and you didn't mean it literally and I dig it, man. I just get very antsy with all this retroactive influence stuff, because it takes away from the achievements of the people who were more active and intentional architects in modern music. Or else I'm mistaken about your intentions, in which case please show me the classical versions of "Slit Your Guts," "Nuthin' But a 'G' Thang" and "Pagan Muzak."

I too can detect vast similarities between various forms of classical music and various forms of modern music. Let's just not lose our heads with this "first influence" thing like people are so in love with doing. There's a difference between being an influence and being the end result. Classical music is an influence. But if rock music and Black Sabbath and Slayer and Burzum didn't exist, metal wouldn't exist as we know it. There are massive portions of what makes metal into metal that has little to do with classical music.

Nobody in history would have ever listened to Alexander Mosolov in a world without rock music and decided to create "Forensick" by Disgorge. Some classical pieces may have had similar intentions and outlooks to what Disgorge creates but that's not the only thing required for creating Forensick, it also takes various musical inventions that post-date classical music.

That's all I'm saying: classical music is only one of the influences, and I'm not sure if you even disagree with that. It seems pretty basic, I'd be surprised if anyone disagreed. Maybe you guys were just having a spot of fun and I fell victim to a poor perception of the situation. But classical music isn't metal. It shares SOME aspects with metal, not all of them. For one thing, metal ocasionally employs a little-known instrument called the electric guitar. ;)
 

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Personally I can't stand Burzum or any of the cookie monster metal bands.

As for you lengthy response, some of your points I agree with but others I do not.

The sheer scale of the creativity of Classical music set the foundation upon which everything we enjoy today is built, almost without exception. The combination of notes, the scales the passion, the fire and brimstone, the sadness and melancholy, in fact every emotion in music is present in spades in classical. It is by far the most influential body of music ever written.

Our modern rock and roll era will have to age for a couple more centuries before it's impact can be discerned, unlike the masters who have already created timeless music that has lasted 100's of years.

I would bet if you put all the classical music in a database and compared the musical notes from modern songs, they would be in there somewhere. An old friend of mine who is a very accomplished keyboard player and bass guitarist agreed wholeheartedly about this subject, and I respect his opinion as a musician.

I am not taking anything away from the new talented composers, but like the old saying goes AAG, the reason we can see further over the horizon, is because we are standing on the shoulders of Giants.
 

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AAG, historically the AMPLIFICATION of the electric guitar is the key element of metal....not the guitar itself. The same amplification can be achieved with other instruments and those instruments still possess the same fury and emotion as the electric guitar.

The main characteristic of metal is the tone and emotion, metal requires an extreme of emotion. Metal music also requires a low, dark tone.


If you explore a lot of classical music, you find all these things that metal music has except an electric guitar. Beethoven's works are LOUD, HEAVY, and LOW.

Just because classical music doesn't use the 'traditional' electric guitar doesn't mean that a violin cannot achieve the same effects:

if this isn't metal I will personally come and kiss your behind!




Now compare that with Metallica's "Master of Puppets"...voila...very similar indeed!




More examples:

(watch the conductor headbanging and make special note of the instrumental battle going on)



compare that with this:



very similar, dont you think!!
 

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