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Vader and Riff Raff's Metal discussion (with occasional outside interference!)

Discussion in 'Metal' started by Vader, Sep 16, 2014.

  1. Vader

    Vader Veteran Of A Thousand Psychic Wars

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    Something I could never understand is why BATHORY - Bathory 1984 is the first so called "Black Metal" album. If you listen to the riffs it sounds very similar to what Dave Mustaine or a number of other thrash metal guitarists would be playing at that time. The vocals are less guttural then Sodoms ( a thrash band). Iin fact the main thing that sets it apart from thrash metal releases at that time is that It was recorded in a home bathroom on a cheap ass tape recorder lol

    Some very lo fi thrash recorded in a shitter apparently = 1st wave black metal :heheh:

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  2. Riff Raff

    Riff Raff The Kevin Owens Show Staff Member

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    It sounded like early black metal to me. It has thrash elements in there I agree but it still has early style of what black metal would become in there. To me anyway and other black metal fans I talk to. Only thing I find annoying when it comes to sub genres are idiots who use lyrical themes to make a genre. Viking metal is one that is not a real genre but just a lyrical theme.
     
  3. Taboo

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    Purzum anyone?

     
  4. Vader

    Vader Veteran Of A Thousand Psychic Wars

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    Don't know... can't see it.
     
  5. Vader

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    Most " first wave black metal " ie Celtic Frost, Venom, Bathory, Mercyful Fate etc are more thrash metal bands w/ satanic lyrics ...though they have bits of other elements IMO and in the opinion of a lot people were listen to them at that time. MERCYFUL FATE on the other hand is more of ruff power thrash metal band with satanic theatrics. CELTIC FROST is more a doomy thrash band ...mostly. VENOM , low fi thrash again.

    All these bands certainly influenced Black Metal a great deal but I still don't hear the black metal in these groups. Not in the early periods at anyrate.

    Viking Metal is more of an symphonic/ folk version of Black Metal and not just lyricism. That is why Enslaved
    gets the Progressive Black Metal label ( from those in the know ) rather then Viking Metal tag even though they were one of first to use viking mysticism as a lyrical concept.

    Feel free to disagree but I maintain that I am correct:heheh:
     
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  6. Taboo

    Taboo Toward the Within

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    Sorry about that, forgot you couldn't see posted Youtube vids.

    Here's the link: http://youtu.be/YipKQBErCW0

    Enjoy :tongue:
     
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  8. Riff Raff

    Riff Raff The Kevin Owens Show Staff Member

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    Agree to disagree then because I don't agree either way.
     
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    Vader Veteran Of A Thousand Psychic Wars

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    Whatever... no skin off my nose. :D
     
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    Bought the new Venom on Ebay and pre ordered the new Enslaved and Psycroptic. Keen for those but particularly Enslaved. Awesome progressive black metal band.
     

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