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Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens

Discussion in 'Movies / Television' started by Jake T, Nov 22, 2015.

  1. joker1961

    joker1961 FAILED COMEDIAN CERTIFIABLY MENTALLY UNBALANCED

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    Hmmm d`oh phew! the jury is still out for me the two newer movies. . . let`s see?????
     
  2. Lynch

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    Oy, where do I start?

    The Force Awakens. For everything they did right with this movie, they did equally as much wrong with it (or more)

    #1) Jar Jar Abrams should NEVER be allowed to touch a script ever again. He's a terrible writer with little-to-no originality.
    #2) Jar Jar Abrams should NEVER be allowed to produce a movie. He's is absolutely horrible with his casting choices.
    #3) please, Please, PLEASE remove him from ANYTHING regarding Episode 9. I just hung my head in sorrow the day that they announced he's taking over the reins on the 9th installment. Not only going to direct, but also going to write and produce it. WHY!?

    Ok, with the Jar Jar Abrams gripes out of the way(kept short, as I could very easily just lay into him on so many levels), on to the movie.

    Casting, I'm not a fan of most of this cast. Bringing back the old guys was the right thing to do, thankfully they didn't try to replace anyone (although Chewie kind of is replaced, but that's not horrible). The younger cast leaves a LOT to be desired. Here's the thing, looking back at the original Star Wars flick back in 1977, Lucas couldn't get a studio signed to that project and he mostly put up the money himself (if I remember the story correctly) to finance the movie. In doing so, he ended up with 100% complete creative control of the entire franchise. That being said, he picked up relatively no-name actors for most of the cast because that is what he could afford. Hamill and Fisher were basically no-names and Ford was relatively unknown other than a few smaller or uncredited roles prior to SW. So, when I see people try to compare the original main cast with the cast of TFA, I have remind them that you cant' compared the big (huge) budget TFA with the original flick/cast. they have the money to pick up better talent than they did for this trilogy and they went the cheap route, picking up low budget talent with low budget acting abilities.

    Finn: John Boyega = by far the weakest link in this movie. Not only is his acting terrible, but the writing for Finn is awful. He is supposed to be a stormtrooper who has been brainwashed nearly since birth to be a stormtrooper and yet in the span of a couple of days, he goes from being a soldier (who we later find out was actually just in sanitation) that suddenly develops a conscience, disobeys direct orders, defects, breaks out a hero to escape, suddenly learns how to give a shit about some girl he's known for a day (or two), "needs" to rescue her, etc. It's just silly. Add to it, the HORRIBLY written comic relief that they try to inject into this character (thanks for that JJ) and with Boyega's terrible acting, this is easily the worst character in the movie and in my opinion, possibly the 2nd worst character in the franchise beyond only Jar Jar Binks. Internally, I cheered when he was taken out and I hoped that he'd be in a coma for all of Episode 8, but alas, he's not. Sure as hell hope that the writers of TLJ looked at TFA and realized how bad his role was and how poorly it was written and fix it for TLJ. Also, why do they have Boyega doing an "American" accent? The Star Wars universe is riddled with British accents, there's no point in having a shitty british actor pretend to sound like he's from the US. (sigh) Awful character. Awful casting choice.

    Ben Solo / Kylo Ren: I have very mixed feelings on this. I like the character when he's actually in character (ie: with the helmet on). At that point, Kylo Ren is a pretty decent bad guy. Then he removes the helmet and turns into a shittier version of teen-angst Anakin Skywalker ("it's all Obi-Wan's fault!", remember that cringeworthy scene?) I think that Adam Driver is a pretty decent guy in real life. The articles I've read about him and the interviews I've seen make it seem like he's a truly decent guy, so I hate not liking his role here. For me, the jury is still out on what is really going on with Kylo. I am hoping for a "double-agent" twist somewhere in the 3rd movie. Something that Han was aware of and maybe even a part of.

    Poe: The arrogance seems befitting of a writer trying to duplicate Han Solo in a completely different role (again, thank you JJ, you dimwit). They could have fleshed out this character a bit more. Maybe it wasn't needed. I don't know. He just seems odd. The interaction with Finn was goofy. The "bromance" with Finn that people on the Interwebs were trying to push after the film came out was terrible. I think Isaac is a better actor that you can see with the Poe character. Jury is still out on this one for me as well. I hope Poe gets better in the next 2 films

    Rey: Daisy is cute/cutish. I'll give her that. But the acting is awkward. Not sure she was the best casting choice. Her interaction with Finn was very goofy. Following the movie, it was fun seeing people speculate on who her parents are. In recent months, I've stayed away from almost all SW related things on the internet because I don't want to see any spoilers. I even heard that the new EA game Battlefront II gives away who her parents are (not sure, not going to research it either). Anyway, Daisy might work out ok for this role, I blame JJ for most of my gripes on this character and on Daisy. Unlike Finn, there's hope for a good overall character before this is done.


    (more to come in another post)
     
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    Ok, on to some of the really stupid shit in the movie:

    * Luke's lightsabre in the snow: Kylo, regardless of that he was injured from the crossbow shot to the hip he took from Chewie should NOT have had such a hard time getting that lightsabre to come to him. Dude stopped a fucking laser blast in mid air in the opening scene and HELD it in place for a few minutes before allowing it to continue on its path. THAT was cool as hell, and then at the end of be some sort of amateur force user was silly.

    * Captain Phasma: cool (yet comicbook'ish) name, cool costume, yet almost a complete waste of space. They hyped her and her costume yet did nothing with her. As her character plays out, you'd assume that she's one of the highest ranking troopers, yet she seems to have no problem turning off the shields on the Starkiller base. Speaking of which, why the **** would a trooper captain even have that knowledge or ability? They also allude to dumping her into a trash compactor, yet somehow seems to escape the planet blowing up (which presumably also being charged with retrieving Kylo and I assume General Hux). I know some people are enamored with Gwendlyn Christie. I don't really care for her in GoT or in the SW universe so far. I think we can blame the latter on Jar Jar Abrams though.

    * Starkiller Base: the resistence is suppposedly keeping tabs on the New Order, yet don't seem to know shit about this planet that seems to have the ability to absorb a sun and travel around the galaxy? C'mon. Not even going to go into how silly the whole concept is that they (Jar Jar Abrams) thought it was a good idea to make what is basically "Death Star III". Sigh. I could also pick apart the scene (as cool as it looked) where the base blew up all of those planets, but I'll just leave that be for now. Overall, lots of silliness to this whole idea. Thanks Jar Jar. Both unoriginal AND ridiculously silly.

    There's more, but I don't feel like continuing with my gripe session at the moment.
     
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    The good:

    Han Solo: Loved how the aged, wily smuggler came into the film. This right here made me grin from ear to ear and a tear or joy welled up in my eyes....



    Han Solo has long been my all-time favorite character, from any movie, any genre. I remember seeing Star Wars in the theater with my mom back in 1977 and we were both blown away. We went back a week later and saw it with my dad. Everything about it at the time was amazing. Still one of my all-time favorite movies and I doubt that will ever change. Anyway, Han = my favorite character. Seeing him come back brought back a huge rush of nostalgia. His character in The Force Awakens is one of the few things that wasn't f'd up by JJA. From his first line (above) to his last, it was a treat having him and Chewie back. In his last scene, I'm not afraid or ashamed to admit it, the tears rolled. They REALLY rolled. :(

    Leia: Some people griped about how she aged. I don't have a problem with it. She's 30 yrs older. I don't look as good as I did 30 yrs ago, very few other people do. F' the haters. Anyway, it was good seeing her again. Her dialogue was a bit clunky, but for nostalgia purposes, it didn't even matter to me. Her last scene with Han also got be a bit choked up and still does when I go back and watch this movie. Wish we could get more backstory/filler from what happened with her and Han over the last 30 yrs, but that'll never happen.

    Chewie: the scenes that he's in were cool. From the smuggler ship to getting injured and being cared for on Maz's planet. Fun seeing the furry oaf back.

    Luke: only in the movie for like 60 seconds, but it was a good way to end it. Obviously we get a lot more of him in the next film or two.

    General Hux: This guy looks and sounds the part of the most insane space nazi of all time. Gleeson did a great job in the role. One of the very few bright spots outside of the nostalgia of the original cast. I also liked that he didn't seem to be the list bit phased by or afraid of Kylo.

    Snoke: lots of speculation on this one, very cool and mysterious character, even if it was written a LOT like the Emporer from the OT. Will be intersting to see what comes of it and even more interesting to see if Snoke is an older known character or related to one.

    Millennium Falcon: when the ship was uncovered, the nostalgia kicked into high gear. Very cool that it wasn't just a ship sitting there, but we got to experience it up close and personal in a fight right off the bat. :)
     
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    Despite my griping in previous posts, I do like TFA. The biggest problem with it is that JJ doesn't have an original bone in his body and just like other movies that he's written/directed, he does nothing more than spit-polish a story that has already been told (ie: TFA vs A New Hope, did the same with Star Trek).

    What I liked was the old cast, the battle scenes, etc. The SFX were phenominal.

    What I didn't like: Most of the new cast, especially the 'heroes'. The writing. The acting by many.


    Overall, I'd still give the movie a 7/10 stars (maybe 7.5).

    Where would I rank it among the first 7 films (Rogue One is standalone and I do not count it here): I would put it at 6th place out of 7. The only movie that I liked less was the Phantom Menace.

    In order (for me):
    1. Star Wars
    2. Empire Strikes Back
    3. Return of the Jedi
    4. Revenge of the Sith
    5. Attack of the Clones
    6. The Force Awakens
    7. The Phantom Menace
    I'm looking forward to see where they go from here, although I am hesitant to put as much of my heart and soul into the anticipation like I did with TFA.
     
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    I liked it as well. Which was a big relief.
    It feels more like the original 3.

    Mine would be
    1. New Hope
    2. Empire Strikes Back
    3. Force Awakens
    4. Rogue One (If that counts as one)
    5. Return of the Jedi (with reservations. I hate the stupid teddy bears. And the muppets)
    6. Attack of the clones (I suppose though as far as I'm concerned those 3 are all pretty crappy so I'll just call the rest a tie for 6th)
    Looking forward to the Han Solo prequel that will show how he got in hot water with Jabba before New Hope.
     
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    I don't mind the ewoks as much as some people. I don't love them, but I also don't hate them. Easy to dislike Lucas for them though because it was supposed to be wookies, but was changed later in the name of marketing and attracting a younger fanbase. Beating up stormtroopers with sticks and rocks was silly.

    Anyway, the ewoks don't really have that much screen time, at least no where near as much as some people think it was. Wicket only had a grand total of like three and a half to four total minutes of screen time and the rest of the teddies don't have a whole lot more than that.

    Interesting piece of trivia regarding Return of the Jedi. I read somewhere once that Peter Mayhew had to have a couple of escorts with him in like blaze orange when he was walking around in full Chewbacca costume. Apparently the Endor scenes were filmed in the woods/forests of Oregon and they didn't want anyone seeing him and shooting him thinking he was bigfoot. :p
     
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    As for the Han Solo flick, I'm looking forward to that as well, but I am also a bit apprehensive about it. Another film that lost it's director(s) halfway through filming. I didn't hear a solid reason for it, only speculation. Ron Howard is a good director, although I'm also a bit fearful of what will happen with the movie when it was already half-finished filming before he took over.

    I'm not sure about the guy playing young Han as I know nothing about him. I'm just glad they didn't sign up that idiot Miles Tarver as he was supposedly on the short list before the final casting was complete. If they had signed him on, I can guarantee you that I wouldn't waste 1 red cent seeing the movie in the theater. I won't go on a rant about Tarver, but I'm just glad it isn't him. Also, not a fan of Emilia Clarke, so I hope that her role isn't too big. (Yes, in fact I AM a picky SOB when it comes to casting. :p )
     

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