Discussion in 'Off Topic Abyss' started by doswizard, Jun 7, 2019.
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Finally the sun is shining after many days of rain and cold.
This is The End........
Masterpieces, song and movie !
Consider the idea that it might all be in our minds? We cannot have existence without some kind of
awareness and the experience is usually inseparable from any kind of awareness of it. It might be
easy for me to think it was all going on in your mind. The only proof you have that it is not, is the
existence of other intelligent minds experiencing a similar event. This simple proof is enough for
me to think that God is more than just a manifestation of an individuals consciousness.
At this point we can finally begin to open up to the idea that we are not alone when in touch with
God. God can be subjective or objective depending on how you perceive things. Most of us tend to
think of God as an object that is both inside and outside ourselves, but God can also become a
subject when utilized as the topic of a discussion.
We point to this and that, but the more we point, the more God seems to vanish in the thick of
I think I will stay with the idea that God has both Good Quality and Good qualities, the latter being
the manifestation of good things and the former being closer to Plato's idea of Goodness. Quality
is the key here. What is Quality? How does good quality relate to bad quality and why does Quality
seem to be the reason that both good and bad exist in the first place? The reason goes very deep.
Quality is the parent of a subjective/objective dilemma that has been argued about since at least the
times of ancient Greek philosophy.
Wherein lies the object? Why think of God as an object? Isn't that what all of the Saints and
Patrons of Christianity have been avoiding so conveniently all of this Time? If the object of
Mind/Matter is God, what are we to believe about the Unknown? Can we not see that it is an Eternal
discourse that is once again pointing towards Truth and Goodness? There is no Dichotomy. If God
is One, the object must almost certainly be One. How are we to remove ourselves from the
experience of One God? The question is rhetorical and Philosophy has no business nosing around
Religions' front door.
As I was talking about Quality, I can quite honestly say that my ideas are not entirely my own. I've
read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig a few times and also have
the entire book on audio cassette. After repeated listenings I finally felt like I knew exactly what he
was talking about. The whole book centers around his discovery of the concept of Quality. It is an
excellent read and I highly recommend it! I am just one of the faithful, continuing on the path that
he was pointing towards. For me Quality is inseparable from God and I see no difference between
the two concepts. When talking about Quality, I don't mean the qualities of temperature or length or
density as a scientist might see it. I mean a Quality that has no substance. Metaphysicians and
Scientists alike cannot agree upon substance. Just what is this stuff at the center of a subatomic
particle? We don't know. And so the metaphysicians continued arguing that it was all in the Mind.
Where you can define Mind apart from Matter is what theoretical Physicists are really arguing
about. They are looking for some absolutely objective rule for determining the laws of the Universe.
Are these hypothesis Eternal or merely Infinite? What law governs the laws that they in their
subjective hierarchy are creating? We have already agreed that Mind or Matter is the subject, but
where lies the object?. We can only point objectively towards the qualities of a somewhat unknown
substance or perhaps even the qualities of an individual mind.
If we are to solve the dilemma, we need to first point toward the subjective quality from a somewhat
Relative point of view. I only know what I know and the fear of the unknown seems somewhat
unreal and so therefore I must dismiss this whole fear of the unknown as something of a phantom.
E=IQ: Eternity equals Infinity multiplied by Quality.
I think that if you as an individual feel like your life makes no sense whatsoever; you are not alone.
From an individual point of view, the pattern is almost indiscernible, but if we stretch out and reach
with our minds to a somewhat collective consciousness, the true pattern of our life begins to
emerge. This is why I am so antagonistic towards ruthlessly pursuing Nirvana for purely selfish
motives. I think that the individual mind needs to be lost in order to discover the true pattern that
our life is trying to create.
Just take any old ordinary conversation as an example. We need to have a reply in order to know
that we have been heard otherwise the pattern takes on a somewhat selfish One Upmanship on the
Universe. It's like saying "I already know what you are thinking, so don't bother to say It." Of
course, once you say it, no longer is It ours to create. Why steal from each other, when we can
I know that free flowing consciousness is the most difficult to achieve. It involves allowing yourself
to really feel pain and anger and then letting it go. This is also the only way to achieve any real
honesty with yourself. Rather than call it a defeat and sink back into depression, I prefer to call it a
casualty and continue on the path. A clearly defined path is what we need here.
Logic almost always gets in the way of feeling emotion. Logic is good for analysis, but practically
useless when one wishes to tune in to what is really happening on the inside. By using logic to
analyze emotion, we are almost surely going to be our own worst enemy. It is a sort of hypocritical
way of saying; I shouldn't be feeling this way, so I will ignore it. The feeling does not go away just
like that, although it will eventually fade. It is important to always stay alert and awake to what our
own mind is trying to trick us with. Most of the time, emotion cannot be defined. It is as vague as
the clouds in the sky. Sometimes though it can come into sharp focus and be clearly defined. I
think we should at this point refrain from analysis and simply let the feelings be. It should also be
obvious how dangerous it can be to analyze anothers behavior based purely on logic. It is almost
always too easy to see people as objects possessed of certain emotional qualities. That is when
people start getting used. Never healthy.
History has shown the flaw of this time and time again, but human nature seems to insist on it's
own self importance and looking for emotional gratification is simply another one of those games
we play with each other. Why do we have to feel important? Surely it is something more than
simple survival or learning. I think it might have something to do with what I was saying earlier.
We all need to feel connected in some way to the world that is happening around us. This is just
another extreme example of one upmanship. The more connected we feel, the more important we
seem to be in the process of the whole. It's not unnatural, but it can be overdone.
The simplest way to stay connected is by ironically letting go. This is a form of transcendentalism
that is quite frequently a misused term. I think that the higher the awareness level, the more
powerful are the emotional and logical states of mind. This is why I truly believe that we humans as
sentient beings are always going to be confounded by the depths of our own minds. I am not the
same person as yesterday, but there is a pattern that I prefer to think of as myself. This is holding
on to Ego and it always gets in the way of true awareness. Once we arrive at our destination
however, the first thought is almost invariably; what's next? This could be a problem if ones eyes
and ears are not open to events that are happening. I prefer to let things flow without really
directing them, but in order not to get too far off course I constantly glance at the clock or out the
window just to make sure things haven't changed without my noticing.
Does a cat have a Buddha nature?
My answer is - Two cats fighting, Master unhealthy.
The answers to koans should be kept simple and spring from original thoughts. It is the same with
writing. If you have to think too hard about the answer, you are not really free from your own mind
and so incapable of understanding and mindfulness. I'd like to really stretch out the topic and
include all positive and negative emotion. Once the two emotional states are seen arising from the
same source, it is easy to see how they tend to cancel each other out. And once the mind is empty,
we can truly begin to feel alive. I am just breathing and hoping to breathe some fresh outdoor air
soon. By writing in the morning, I am once again putting myself in tune with the flow of the
The best way to write in my opinion; is to stick with first thoughts. Editing can be done later.
Natalie Goldberg has an excellent book out entitled 'Writing Down the Bones'. I purchased this
book as a young adolescent and was inspired so much, that it changed my entire attitude about
writing. The mindset changed from a sort of boring, work like attitude into a way of truly freeing
myself from inhibitions.
I'm Sorry this is rather vague, but.......
Back in 2008 or so I started writing and suddenly I found that I had an Audience. These are first
thoughts and by no means Express what I Wish to Say........
Rereading it has in fact Enlightened Me to the Fact that I am Alive!
I'm glad that I left the Nine Inch Nails forum. It was too toxic. I'm a lot happier now. I have enough drama in my life. I don't need to be cyberbullied.
I Feel Ya!
I'm glad you left the Nine Inch Nails forum
seriously though, why is it named for free conversation chat? I found it googling a cool place to chat in
I need to have some rest..
250 thousand years of evolution; with Ice age after Ice age in between......
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