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  1. RadRobX

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  2. doswizard

    doswizard "That Which does Not Kill Us makes Us Stronger!"

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    This puts a nice positive spin on life for sure and is very refreshing to read. I always try to remain optimistic and there is an endless amount of wealth available in the galaxy. I can't ignore though. We are wasteful as a society and the cost of living just keeps going up and up. If it's all a means to an end, I guess I'm confused by what a lot of other people regard as the end. Is it literally the End? If so, what's the hurry? No, I think people simply want more and more of whatever is available because it seems to point towards something important. That is merely human nature and we all feel the same way deep inside. I try not to identify too much with material existence; it contains both pleasure and pain, which are temporary at any rate.

    I think wealth can be measured in other ways such as value; which you pointed out. As long as something can retain it's value it will remain useful, but have you ever noticed how quickly things change their value in the minds of certain like minded individuals? For example, the value of human life depreciates in war and then rises up again in times of valor and need. I see a cycle repeating itself in a Platonic sense that there are two horses; a white and a black carrying the charioteer on an endless journey. The dark horse is forever preventing a smooth ride and is representative of the dark side of human nature. It all depends upon what we are sympathetic towards. Life can't be all positive all of the time because we wouldn't know what positive was without it's polar opposite; it's just not obvious to simple minded people. They don't want to recognize their own negative traits even though it is easy enough to do. Greed is a very negative trait and has it's roots deep in instinct. Even dogs growl at each other over supper time and beg for scraps whilst their owners dine over feasts.

    Trying to get rid of our own 'animal' level instincts can be very difficult if not impossible, but can be done from time to time. This is when the white horse frees up the struggle and we are allowed to make progress. Yes, there will always be wealth available, but the next logical question to ask would be what is the value of wealth? The answer might not be as obvious as it seems when one considers such dark, dystopian visions of the future as Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' An elite social class overdosing on pleasures whilst the 'grunts' are endlessly tormented in a living hell is pretty close to what is actually going on in the real world. I 'blink' and realize that life is not much different from any horror show picture when it all comes down. That's when I detach and am thankful for what I do have.

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    These old school ideas about capitalism are quant but they don't resemble what we have now. Value is simply what someone calls value. And once the door is open to that it gets crazy. The "value" of something that is leveraged on pure bullshit is used as the "value" that is used to create something else that goes on the books as having a value. And that is used to leverage another thing that is given real value. And people get filthy rich by building nice looking balance sheets out of pure crap. It's been going on for a long time. And it's moved massive amounts of money around into the hands of people who never "created" jack shit. And they all KNOW beyond any doubt that eventually it's all gonna pop. And they are running for cover. Converting it all to real things. And leaving all us suckers holding the bag. It's a racket. And once the lions share of the economy is based on hot air value has no meaning. Who are you gonna sell your tree to? And how much is going to be worth? It is the ultimate buyer's market.

    What is happening now is pyramid scheme after pyramid scheme. It's a license to print money.
    And the real value of the economy is sliding from one side of the scale to the other.

    The point is that people aren't creating anything.
    Take these "instruments" like credit default swaps.
    You go out and get the guy behind the counter at a liquor store to sign on the dotted line of a mortgage.
    He just "bought" a half a million dollar house.
    The mortgage is worth a half a million dollars as long as nobody looks that the fact that's its complete bullshit.
    So it gets sold to wallstreet on an assembly line and they wrap it up as securities and sell it to your retirement fund.
    Who are happy to buy it because it's AAA rated.
    And when it crashes who is left holding the bag?
    Not the guy who wrote the mortgage or the bank that created the bond out of pure dog shit.
    It's off their books and they already made a killing.
    It's right out in the open. There is nobody creating jack shit.
    So they are coming up with more and more dishonest ways of extracting money from a dying economy. And nothing has been changed. I guarantee you that they are on to the next thing already. And nobody in power is doing shit about it because they are running for cover as well.
    It's eating it's self alive. Sucking the last bit of blood out of the corpse.
    And if there was any other better way of making money they would be doing it.
    People's homes and retirement was just the last vein of gold left untapped.
    They have no choice. They have to continue to make these sorts of profits.
    The entire house is built on leverage. If the train stops rolling it catches fire.



     
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    Well I wouldn't characterize Huxleys world as that. Huxley is more where everybody is kept docile. There is no need to burn books because people just stop reading. Like that. The elite social class keep the populace mesmerized with their illusions so they don't revolt. Fat and stupid and docile.
    First comes Huxley. As long as people can still live paycheck to paycheck with their head buried in their cell phones and they can afford to have all of their little goodies they will experience little more than a growing sense of dread as the pirates do their thing.
    Later, when the bills come due? That's when we get Orwell. He describes that world. And they are already gearing up for it. Snowden showed us the extent of surveillance. Police departments are being militarized. The wealthy are investing in safe places. Corporations are buying private military companies like blackthorn. They are actively working to take ownership of the food supply. And people just blissfully watch their American Idol. Sheep being led to the abettoir.
    There are a LOT of people cheering for this. It's right out of the playbook.
    You can hear the locust if you listen hard.
    Where does it lead? Who knows. Maybe something like the "company towns" from the turn of the last century.

    I am in no way a tin foil hat guy. I have never been reasonably describable as such.
    I'm an old school "coke classic" Liberal. Which has disappeared for the most part.

    IMO you'd have to be blind not to connect the dots.

     
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    IMO, we are already in an Orwellian world.

    - The surveillance state is on every corner
    - Information is being restricted by tech giants like Facebook and Twitter
    - The Proles are being placated by porn
    - Newspapers focus on sports and whatever enemy is currently against us (Oceania)
    - The use of newspeak by forcing college students to use "Ze" instead of "He" or "She" to reduce the number of pronouns, and thus, speech

    Year after year, they keep ramping it up but we have been in an Orwellian world for quite some time now.
     
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    The foundation of that world is being laid.
    They haven't begun to leverage the control that is being established.
    We can move around freely for now.
    We still can express our opinions like we are doing here.
    The time when we arrive at the Orwellian reality is when both of us get a knock on the door in a couple hours and we are prosecuted for thought crime.
    Yes things are beginning to resemble it more and more. But we are at the very beginning of it. They won't step across that line fully until they have established complete control. Unless they have to.
    As it is now most places have pretty free societies.
    And they will remain that way. As long as people maintain the ability to feed themselves and carry on living. Once people become completely dependent on the corporate state for survival it's all over. And the squeeze on resources will only increase. With it our freedoms will be eroded as people trade them off gradually. At some point there will be a breaking point and then the full force of everything that they have been building will become evident.
    This all only sounds strange to people who have grown up in comfort and freedom.
    It's happened over and over.
    But the evangelical angle to this is really weird and unique. They believe this is the whole point. A goal. The "kingdom".

    Around 19:00 when the Senator expresses that the meaning of the new testament is power.
    They actually preach it. It's about total control. "Power trumps love". Very strange stuff.
    Corporate power + political power + military power. Yikes!
    And when asked about what leaders best understood the lessons of the new testament he lists Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
    https://www.npr.org/player/embed/120746516/120757394


    But the radical left has just a much lunacy.
    Basically both extremes run counter to basic principles of freedom IMO.
    The victory of either the radical left or the extreme right is disastrous.
    And people have been moving farther and farther to extremes.
    When the shit hits the fan things tip one way or the other.
    And it's all bad news. Heads they win, tails we lose.
    Either way it is the death of the individual and freedom.

    A kakistocracy (/ˌkækɪsˈtɒkrəsi, -ˈstɒk-/) is a system of government which is run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens
     
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    Ultra wealthy making survival plans for peasant revolt - leading economist


     
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    doswizard "That Which does Not Kill Us makes Us Stronger!"

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    Dude,

    I just have to say something; you are being so down on the 'Reality' that it is utterly depressing. Wouldn't it be nice if we were 'real' Gold Diggers seeking the Mother Lode? :)

     
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