Empire was the last thing worth a damn they did. They went down hill before DeGarmo even left. I think it is hilarious in a bizarre way though that they decided to use a Metal sounding album title "Dedicated To Chaos" on their least rocking album ever. lol They were great live when I saw them on the Mind Crime and Mind Crime II tours ( 3 times) recently but I won't waste my time on them anymore. Sort of like responding to the babbling of a psych patient ...a big waste of time and energy.