Heart - a hair band?

[AboutAGirl]

Nobody's denything that glam rock was a genre before glam metal/hair metal existed. But Van Halen and others had to come up with the sound for glam metal before the style could be applied to it and a new genre emerged, imo.

 

[METALPRIEST]

Check it out! Maybe this fellow was the true innovator to glam. He sure looks sparkly and has all the glitter, make-up, spandex, and even bagles on his arm!



And of course a night of performing has sweated out his pouffy hair:

I'm not getting in the middle but good point.

I will also add that Heart being called a hair band doesn't work for me due to the fact that they are lovely women. I mean the male end of the band didn't appear all that glammed out to me....a fancy jacket is just that....a fancy jacket...but the Wilson sisters wearing their hair big and lots of make up?

I mean....c'mon.

 

[MusicMistress]

Nobody's denything that glam rock was a genre before glam metal/hair metal existed. But Van Halen and others had to come up with the sound for glam metal before the style could be applied to it and a new genre emerged, imo.

Thank you!

Exactly, there is a sound that accompanies glam metal, not just a look.


If you take, for example, Heart's early music like the song "Crazy On You"



and compare that with what the writer of this thread is calling glam metal, "What About Love"



There is not much difference. This is nothing more than good ole rock n' roll.
End of story.

 

[Foxhound]

The term was invented in the 90's ,by MTV, in case you weren't aware of it's origin.

Actually I suspect that you're wrong about the term "hair metal" having been invented by MTV - but that's completely irrelevant. The point is that the term exists and is widely understood to refer to a particular subgenre of rock.

When Glam bands were having their hey dey, there was no term "Hair Metal". Fans of grunge and punk called these bands "hair bands" to deride the music and the culture.

Irrelevant. I'm not exactly a big fan of grunge but I understand the meaning of the term "hair metal" - meaning the term is in widespread currency.

Today, however, true music enthusiasts have an appreciation for all music and wont cast dispersions that redicule any form of music by what a band's hair looked like in the 80's.

Granted. But who here has cast dispersions on or ridiculed any musical genre based on what "a band's hair looked like in the 80's"?

If you cant take the arguments seriously, then why start such a controversial thread?

If the arguments were better, I could take them seriously. Yours girl is a case in point. You've studiously avoided addressing the question of the thread and have chosen instead to challenge my usage of a term in widespread currency.

And since when is Heart such a controversial topic?

You seem to be a catalyst to arguments.

Hmmmmm. And you've resurrected this thread to do something other than argue about whether I should even be using the term "hair metal"? A clear case of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think?

I agree your time would be better served sipping cognac, pipe in hand, and reading Finnegan's Wake.

Yuck to the first two. But "Finnegan's Wake" you say?

I find it extremely humorus that you would mention computer science 101, like this weighs any merit in a music discussion.

And your mention of cognac, a pipe and "Finnegan's Wake" does then? You could also try rereading your first post. You went on for several paragraphs without even once mentioning Heart, the subject of this thread.

As far as being politically motivated to NOT call the bands "hair bands", is rubbish. There is nothing political about glam metal.

On that point you're correct. I apologize. Of course your motivation wasn't "political". The word I want is "frivolous". Your objection is frivolous. Satisfied?

You just don't get it do you? Glam metal was about raunchy lyrics, great guitar hooks, looking good, decadence, and having fun.

No. You're the one who doesn't get it. When have I made any blanket statements about glam metal? You're making the mistake of assuming that anybody who uses the term hair metal must be a fan of grunge and guilty of deriding glam/hair bands. But that assumption is simply frivolous.

If Glam Metal was so terrible....

Had I said glam metal "was so terrible", then perhaps I'd be in a position to answer your other questions. But since I haven't, you'll have to ask somebody else.

Now take that to night school 101!

Hopefully not to a Logic 101 course! Your arguments would have me flunking out the first day.

Exactly, there is a sound that accompanies glam metal, not just a look.

Yes, I agree! Now did Heart, or did Heart not, record music that fit that sound? I must admit that I'm not clear as to what you were trying to demonstrate by comparing the two Heart songs.

 

[Foxhound]

Check it out! Maybe this fellow was the true innovator to glam. He sure looks sparkly and has all the glitter, make-up, spandex, and even bagles on his arm!

Hmmmmmm. Weren't you the one who also posted this?

I find it extremely humorus that you would mention computer science 101, like this weighs any merit in a music discussion.

Well I find it extremely humorous that you would mention Mick Jagger in a discussion about the band Heart.

But since you asked, I don't think those glammed up concerts were among the Stones' finest moments. And the Stones have had many very fine moments. For example, I prefer the look they sported here in these two videos:

 

[METALPRIEST]

I don't think those glammed up concerts were among the Stones' finest moments. And the Stones have had many very fine moments. For example, I prefer the look they sported here in these two videos:

As did Heart. I don't think having a more polished sound at one point in an artist's career makes them a hair band...not even if they look a little flashier.

No different than the Stones glamming it up at one point.

Again...Heart were looking like 80's women during this time...I wouldn't toss Madonna, Whitney Houston, Cyndi Lauper or the Bangles in the hair metal pot...even though they all had big hair at one time and polished big sounding 80's recordings.

 

[METALPRIEST]

In fact after reading through some of the more recent posts...I hereby dub MusicMistress METALPRIESTESS



She knows her stuff.

 

[Foxhound]

As did Heart. I don't think having a more polished sound at one point in an artist's career makes them a hair band...not even if they look a little flashier.

No different than the Stones glamming it up at one point.

Again...Heart were looking like 80's women during this time...I wouldn't toss Madonna, Whitney Houston, Cyndi Lauper or the Bangles in the hair metal pot...even though they all had big hair at one time and polished big sounding 80's recordings.

Good points. But if Heart can't make the cut, who can?

 

[METALPRIEST]

Good points. But if Heart can't make the cut, who can?

Make what cut?? Hair Metal cut?? Sorry.....

 

[METALPRIEST]

I'd say Heart had a real classy look during this period...very victorian take on the whole image.

Now a female band that fits the "hair metal" genre? Or a bit more inside the ball park??