Green Day Sell Outs?

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You do not sign to major labels....

I suggest reading up one something before spouting off about something you do not know.

Speaking of not reading up before spouting off, the Sex Pistols were originally signed to A & M Records, among the very biggest of the big labels, before they ended up with Virgin Records, another very big outfit.

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Speaking of not reading up before spouting off, the Sex Pistols were originally signed to A & M Records, among the very biggest of the big labels, before they ended up with Virgin Records, another very big outfit.

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I will say this again to you. Do not put words in my mouth since I never mentioned the Sex Pistols. You did.
 

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[Did I ever say the Sex Pistols were not sell outs? No do not attempt to put words into my mouth Fox.

So where did I say or even imply that you said something about the Sex Pistols? I would have quoted you specifically in that case. (You may have noticed that I like to do that.) Do not attempt to put words into my mouth.

:D

But whether you've opined on the Sex Pistols previously is completely irrelevant. I have the right to provide my own examples/counter-examples, as do you.

The Clash were punk rock and a political punk band.

Sorry. Not only could the Clash not be a punk band by my definition, it could not be a punk band by yours. After all, the Clash were signed to CBS Records, another real biggie.

I am done because I can not argue with some one who does not know anything about punk rock....

Boy, do you ever go down easy.

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I will say this again to you. Do not put words in my mouth since I never mentioned the Sex Pistols. You did.

But of course I did! Let me explain to you the reasoning involved. I shouldn't have to but being a mathematician from way back I somehow feel compelled to do so.

If a contradiction can be derived from a statement that you've made, then the statement that you've made is false.

You stated that punk bands cannot be signed to major record labels. I provided a counter-example, that being the Sex Pistols. There is no reason why I have to limit my search for counter examples to any bands you've previously mentioned or even to anything else you've said.

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To the first quote, The Clash are one classic punk band that played a benifit show. Rock against racism.

There is nothing wrong with playing a benifit concert especially when it fits your beliefs. So I think you are way off and do not know a thing about punk rock.
You do not sign to major labels, you do not sell your so called soul and sacrafice your music just to make money. If you some how get that fame and money, like Biafra said use it for good. Something Green Day has not done.

I don't get that part about Green Day not using their fame for good. They just donated $100,000 to the American Red Cross for Haiti relief. They also provide a link on their site to the ARC and encourage people to donate. Maybe it is not the same as organizing an expensive concert but at least the money is going directly to those who need it.

Katrina relief: Green Day's Billie Joe, Jason White and their families put music to one side to join forces with a New Orleans charity helping people left homeless by Hurricane Katrina. They volunteered in the Louisiana city, rebuilding houses destroyed by the August 2005 storm. They also recorded a song with U2 with the proceeds going toward replacing musical instruments lost by musicians in Katrina. The band also contributed a prerecorded performance to the Hurricane Katrina Benefit relief event on September 10, 2005 from their performance the prior week at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts. The televised portion (shown on MTV and VH1) showed the trio performing their single "Wake Me Up When September Ends."

Green Day are also involved in a lot of other ongoing charity work...they just don't blow their own horn about it. Just wanted to clear that up.
 
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I don't get that part about Green Day not using their fame for good. They just donated $100,000 to the American Red Cross for Haiti relief. They also provide a link on their site to the ARC and encourage people to donate. Maybe it is not the same as organizing an expensive concert but at least the money is going directly to those who need it.

Well shame on them!

The way I see it then there are only a couple of possible explanations for these heinous doings on their part:

1. Green Day was never a punk band and that anybody who thinks they were is mistaken. The fellows were just poseurs all along.

2. They've sold out.

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Well shame on them!

The way I see it then there are only a couple of possible explanations for these heinous doings on their part:

1. Green Day was never a punk band and that anybody who thinks they were is mistaken. The fellows were just poseurs all along.

2. They've sold out.

:D

I am staying out of the other debate over the definition of punk rock, but I have to jump in on this one...

to be a poseur you would have to claim to be something youre not, right?
I don't ever remember GD claiming to be punk rock... and I don't know a lot of people that described them as a punk rock band... until American Idiot... which they were dubbed punk by a group of fans...that when in my punk phase I got into many arguments(and some physical debacles) by calling some of these people caiming that Green Day was a punk band:heheh:
in my eyes, just a good rock n roll band... simple and fun... did they need to stay that way.... no.. and they didn't more power to them, they never claimed to be a punk rock band soo... no poseurs
 

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Okay. Therefore the problem is that Green Day is a band that's had the punk mantle unwittingly dropped on its shoulders when the members have never asked to be accorded such an honour.

It must therefore follow that since the members of Green Day had never been punks, they couldn't sell out the noble cause.

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Do you personally know that Green Day ONLY had aspirations to play fast pop punk their whole lives or is it possible they had enough taste in their repertoire to try and do something different. How can someone say that an artist isn't doing what they like to do? By the result? If it works, it's selling out! If it fails, they were ahead of their time! We act like we know the artist intentions way more than anyone truly ever will! I think change shows more talent than greed and takes a set of balls bigger than any act that stays within it's own realm until they become their own cliche and just get stale. The best artist in the world are the ones who dared to disappoint their original fan base to increase their own musical potential! Just how I see it friend! :grinthumb

Here's to Soot & Stars, I really could not have answered this crazy debacle better myself....my hat off to you sir
 

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So where did I say or even imply that you said something about the Sex Pistols? I would have quoted you specifically in that case. (You may have noticed that I like to do that.) Do not attempt to put words into my mouth.

:D

But whether you've opined on the Sex Pistols previously is completely irrelevant. I have the right to provide my own examples/counter-examples, as do you.



Sorry. Not only could the Clash not be a punk band by my definition, it could not be a punk band by yours. After all, the Clash were signed to CBS Records, another real biggie.



Boy, do you ever go down easy.

:heheh:

Fox I do not go down easily. I just can not stand ignorance.

That is not my definition of punk rock. That is what most people in the genre think.

Well it does not really matter if you think the Clash are punk or not because most in the genre agree they were and that they had a huge influence on it. They also used their fame for good. Rock Against Racism.

Your opinion on that is void.

Your counter points have nothing to do with my posts, you try to counter something that is not there. Since I did not mention the Pistols bringing them up into the conversation is pointless. You conisder them a punk band as do I, but I also consider the majority of members with the exception of Rotten a bunch of posuers and fashion driven rather than the mind set of punk rock.

Like a said there is a difference between posuer and sell out. Learn it.

Oh and please show me where I said I THINK PUNK ROCK IS.

I did not.

Again you try to put words into my mouth and missread what I wrote.

The Clash a punk band, the Sex Pistols a media created punk band that said **** you to everyone.

Both are punk bands.

My definition of punk rock - musical freedom, but not selling yourself to make more money. Meaning selling out.
Like I said with Nirvana. They were punk IMO and did good with their fame, but also made fun of it at the same time.

Boy Fox, seems like you are picking a fight at this point.

Keep going I will not respond. Your "boy do you ever go down easy" comment is extremely childish.

I do not find it funny at all.

Taste in music is subjective. The genre of music somtimes, but not when it comes to punk rock.


I will let this get back on topic since it was thrown off topic.
 
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