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Gilby Clarke Opens Up About His Final Guns N’ Roses Gig

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Gilby Clarke stepped into the Guns N’ Roses lineup at a time when the band sorely needed a replacement for guitarist Izzy Stradlin, so one might assume that GNR frontman Axl Rose would be extra nice to him. Then again, maybe not.

Clarke recalled the end of his three-year tenure in the band during a recent interview with Songfacts, opening up about the subject when asked if he could sense that things were reaching a breaking point during the sessions for GNR’s 1994 cover of the Rolling Stones classic ‘Sympathy for the Devil.’ “I might say yes and no on that,” he mused. “I wasn’t that involved with the ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ recording — they did that while I was on the road touring for my solo record.”

Still, admitted Clarke, “I knew that that was the ending because nobody told me about it. Officially I was in the band at that time, and they did that song without me. That was one of the last straws for me, because nobody had said anything to me, and they recorded a song by one of my favorite bands. It was pretty clear I’m a big Rolling Stones fan, and they recorded the song without me. So I knew that was it.”

Clarke recalled that his last moments in Guns N’ Roses came in an unsurprisingly abrupt fashion. “My official end was actually at the last show of the last tour,” he continued. “Axl was jokingly saying ‘bye’ to everybody, but he was really saying ‘bye’ to everybody. He even came up to me and said, ‘Hey, enjoy your last show.’ At that point I thought he was being funny, but he wasn’t being funny. He knows what he’s doing. He’s a smart guy. So I knew it was the end at the last show.”
 

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Its a decent album but Rose Tattoo version of Nice Boys is way way way better than Guns n Roses.
 

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I love GN'R!

On a somewhat related note Axl doesn't looks THAT overweight to me, at least not in this picture. It just looks like his face is swollen. I mean, I know it's not, but that's all it really looks like. Allergic reaction to bee stings maybe? :bonk:
I suspect plastic surgery and/or botox injections.

If Axl was one of the founding members of the band then I think he can still call it Guns n Roses
During the Use Your Illusion tour, Axl issued an ultimatum that the other remaining original band members (Slash and Duff) sign over the rights to perform and publish under the name of Guns N' Roses to Axl or he was not going to go on that night/finish the tour/whatever. Fearing riots, they signed. Axl has given multiple anachronistic contradictory impossible explanations for his side of the story. Also, Axl was flat-out busted at trying to take control of all band royalties after saying he hadn't (a copy of document signed by him went public), so Axl has no credibility.

I'd take any Guns N' Roses album credits with a grain of salt, since regardless of what you might read, Izzy Stradlin (and Axl) did the majority of their writing up until Stradlin left, no matter how much credit McKagan, Slash or Adler/Sorum might try to take.
Izzy was the creative centerpiece and heart of the band. This is also evident in Izzy's post-GN'R solo material being far superior to anything any of the rest of the band members have done. Izzy leaving was the iceberg the ship hit that caused it to start sinking.

But Axl was the ship's pilot who ran into the iceberg. I don't bother entertaining fantasies of what if the original GN'R hadn't broken up because there is no way it could have stayed together. Axl is too acrimonious and volatile to keep it together. I've read that Axl may even be bipolar. Izzy was just the one with the shortest tolerance for Axl's BS. Izzy had been friends with Axl since high school and was just fed up with his antics. Izzy was invited to be a part of Velvet Revolver but Izzy turned it down because of his refusal to ever deal with a lead singer again (and since Izzy doesn't tour I suspect he also despising touring).

It's not GnR anymore an hasn't been for ages. It's the "Axl Rose Band"
I tend to refer to it as "Axls N' Roses", but yeah. I accepted GN'R without Steve Adler, because otherwise Use Your Illusion I & II couldn't be considered GN'R albums and I love them. The UYIs were my first 2 CDs I ever purchased (and I still have them).

Axl didn't make any original music with Slash and Duff after Izzy left, so I really don't consider anything after UTIs to officially be GN'R. The Spaghetti Incident and Sympathy for the Devil were all cover songs so didn't lack Izzy's songwriting, but they were pretty good covers of mostly good songs, so I guess I technically consider them to be quasi-GN'R.

IMO Chinese Democracy was just horrible. I listened to it all the way through twice to give it a fair chance, but there wasn't even a single song I liked. "Axls N' Roses" is definitely not GN'R in my book.

To some extent, Duff and Izzy have buried the hatchet with Axl and filled in on occasional Axl N' Roses shows when needed. (Of course that doesn't mean they would be willing to tour with him.) But Slash and Axl still hate each other, so that is the main stopper for even a single reunion show. Who knows? Maybe they all will get together again for a show or short tour someday, but I'm not holding my breathe.
 

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Can't believe I said Axl can still call his band Guns n Roses.
 

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They were a paradox. Vile, Explicit, Honest, Real, Unreal, they could channel the Sex Pistols and write better love songs than any of their contemporaries. This dynamic was unheard of at the time. And it's timeless. "The Axl Rose Band" version of the last decade doesn't even count to me. A snapshot in time, it's best to be left with a few great albums (up for debate) than to try to imagine "what might've been" you get lightning in a bottle once. Memories fade, music sticks around, they were once great in so many ways, it's probably best that they called it a day when they did, rather than fade into mediocrity. (which they almost accomplished).
 

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