Worst style of music...... EVER.

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I don't disagree that someone can take something and be influenced by it in a bad way. I do think that gangsters still look cool to people in movies and maybe it's in a less influential way as people can see them as characters and hopefully filter out the reality not to try and mimic them. As far as promoting a lifestyle I think at least today that's shifted. gangster rap to my knowledge doesn't really exist today. The bad influence today simply is about the exaggeration of the instant wealth that is flaunted by being a rap star or even just the glorification of getting money over anything. There seems to be an awareness though that this is not reality even with one of the bigger pop songs of the past year talking about it. Like I said, I don't deny that rap CAN have a bad influence. I don't agree that it has more of a bad influence necessarily than people wanting to emulate their favorite rock n' rollers like Motley Crue, Guns N' Roses, The Rolling Stones, etc. who lived the sex, drugs and rock n' roll lifestyles. :)

You touched on the influence that Rap has on societies and I want to expound on that theory a little.

Rap hasn't just created a new form of "music" (more like spoken word) but it has influenced fashion, values, and the way people act.

The glorification of money IMO is a huge problem. Rap has changed the way that people who listen to that music view society. Making money and getting rich is more important than anything else and I think that has a negative effect on society as a whole. It's also spread to other form of media like movies where this value system is expressed to many more people who don't listen to the genre and I think those ideals just keep perpetuating because money as an end begins to seem like the norm. No wonder we now live in a society (at least here in the US) where getting rich is all that matters. I'd much prefer to live in a more simple time where people didn't think like this.
 

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I don't deny that rap CAN have a bad influence. I don't agree that it has more of a bad influence necessarily than people wanting to emulate their favorite rock n' rollers like Motley Crue, Guns N' Roses, The Rolling Stones, etc. who lived the sex, drugs and rock n' roll lifestyles. :)
I can agree that maybe Motley Crue, Guns N' Roses, The Rolling Stones might have a bad influence on some people in different ways, no doubt...

but, not the way rap has an impacted generations of inner city youths and wanna be gangstas all over the country for the past 20 years or more...

To me there's a big difference between trying to be a bad ass rocker verse killing a store owner for 250 bucks or killing a cop for fun, or killing for a pair of sneakers, or beating the shit out of an old lady just for her money...there's a big difference, as I see it.

And as far as gangsta rap not being around today?...I'm sure it is, it's just not played on the radio, like back in the 90s...MTV never played hardcore gangsta rap, nor did the radio....it's a underground thing, probably still in certain areas of the country. I'm not an expert, but I don't live under a rock.
 

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First off, Rap isn't even ''music''...it's a form of mental torture! :wtf:

So, rap should be disqualified from this thread topic. :D

I's rather be waterboarded than listen to rap. :heheh:

I agree, completely...
though sometimes, some manifestations of rap can be even good...
but it's rare... very very rare...
 

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You touched on the influence that Rap has on societies and I want to expound on that theory a little.

Rap hasn't just created a new form of "music" (more like spoken word) but it has influenced fashion, values, and the way people act.

The glorification of money IMO is a huge problem. Rap has changed the way that people who listen to that music view society. Making money and getting rich is more important than anything else and I think that has a negative effect on society as a whole. It's also spread to other form of media like movies where this value system is expressed to many more people who don't listen to the genre and I think those ideals just keep perpetuating because money as an end begins to seem like the norm. No wonder we now live in a society (at least here in the US) where getting rich is all that matters. I'd much prefer to live in a more simple time where people didn't think like this.

Yeah and believe it or not I don't care for that form of hip/hop or rap either. :D I know that some of them may slip into my listening based on something other than the lyrics as there are some songs that are enjoyable just for effect and aesthetics where I don't bother worrying about the lyrics. It's not new:



:heheh:

but there is a significant corner in that market. I don't believe the bigger names are stuck on that one note. It seems to be up and comers who cling to it and they usually fade out fast. It's over saturation and riding out a trend like any genre though. The big money hype was popular until people caught on that it wasn't fun anymore but rather shallow and unrealistic. Our culture goes through the motions from being a big party to gritty, realistic and somber and music or some art usually reflects that. :)
 

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Most of the people who get the impression that the lyrical content is encouraging rather than autobiographical or cautionary tales are just experiencing the sensationalized media aspect of that time. After all they aren't rap fans so it's not like they are listening beyond what media sources hopped on.



You know what? I read this, and I have to admit, this applies directly to me.



Wow Soot. You sank my battleship.
 

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but, not the way rap has an impacted generations of inner city youths and wanna be gangstas all over the country for the past 20 years or more...

To me there's a big difference between trying to be a bad ass rocker verse killing a store owner for 250 bucks or killing a cop for fun, or killing for a pair of sneakers, or beating the shit out of an old lady just for her money...there's a big difference, as I see it.

I know that "spoken word" has been around for ages.......but what is known as Rap actually came out of the inner city, ie. the Bronx. Wasn't Rap actually rhyme / stories about the reality of inner city life?

Didn't Rap expose the sociopolitical problems of the big inner city? The Gangsta lifestyle existed before rap became mainstream.


IMHO, this is no worse than the sociopolitical issues of Punk Rock. What about the violence associated with mosh pits at these Punk concerts?

How about Psychedelic Rock and the influence/promotion of drugs? Does the quote "make love not war" ring a bell?


ALL genres of music has had an impact and influence on its listeners lifestyles.
 

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Personally I don't care what it does or does not promote in terms of 'lyrical' content (I parenthesize this word because rap sometimes even makes a mockery of it's most basic component - the words that comprise it). If something like a hahem 'poem' can cause you to commit violence you already are at least a few fries short of a happy meal. What I don't like about rap is every last thing that comprises it.

Absolutely boring and predictable beats, banal vocalizations that often sound like idiotic conversations rather than any sort of art, bastardization of sometimes very cool tunes by being sampled into this mess etc etc.

It amazes me when people try to pretend like it is as valid a form of music as even Muzak or parody tunes. Even moreso when they get offended by people who don't agree with their 'everything is art' attitude.

But then I also don't believe a red dot in the middle of a white canvas qualifies as art.
 

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Personally I don't care what it does or does not promote in terms of 'lyrical' content (I parenthesize this word because rap sometimes even makes a mockery of it's most basic component - the words that comprise it). If something like a hahem 'poem' can cause you to commit violence you already are at least a few fries short of a happy meal. What I don't like about rap is every last thing that comprises it.

Absolutely boring and predictable beats, banal vocalizations that often sound like idiotic conversations rather than any sort of art, bastardization of sometimes very cool tunes by being sampled into this mess etc etc.

It amazes me when people try to pretend like it is as valid a form of music as even Muzak or parody tunes. Even moreso when they get offended by people who don't agree with their 'everything is art' attitude.

But then I also don't believe a red dot in the middle of a white canvas qualifies as art.

:omg:


I would take Muzak over Rap any day of the week and twice on Sunday.


What do you have against parody tunes? I LOVE Steel Panther. I consider them very gifted and valid

:hurry:
 

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I don't really have anything against parody tunes. In fact, some of them are pretty funny. And muzak doesn't always annoy me but I was making a comparison of the least artistic of music forms to make the point that rap isn't even as entertaining as elevator muzak. It is about 20 times more boring to boot.

I'm not real familiar with Steel Panther. But I would even consider some Zappa tunes parodies. And I like Zappa quite a bit.
 

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I saw your point and comparison for boring music. ;)



Along the lines of rap...... have you ever heard those guys "beat box" with the flute or bass flute? Really interesting and fun to watch. My daughter plays flute and she said that is really hard to do. She would argue with you the validity of that form of music as art :grinthumb


Edit:

Found a good yt example

 

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