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Bieber is living the teen idol thing to a tee instead of trying to think of a career strategy about when he's a few years older

You don't know that. Right now he is dealing with his voice change and after that he will cross that bridge when he gets there. Give the guy a little credit. He is not stupid.
 

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I can't believe a Nirvana fan would defend this tripe. It was acts like Spice Girls, Britney and Backstreet Boys who undid everything Nirvana, Pearl Jam and others worked to change about the music industry. After a half-dozen years of actual serious meaningful music, teen garbage took over and everything has been dumbed down for 12 year old girls or soccer moms (Nickelback, Daughtry, Maroon 5, Train, etc...) ever since.

Personally, I'll take Backstreet Boys over anyone who specifically followed in Nirvana's footsteps. What Nirvana seems to have done was, for about one and a half years, great edge-of-the-radar alternative bands who already existed were getting signed. Then after that, bands were just banking in on the alternative fad. Bush, Candlebox, Collective Soul, Foo Fighters, Silverchair, to me there's nothing more rock n roll, independent, serious or meaningful about any of that than there is about Backstreet Boys.

And Nirvana themselves... my favorite hard-rock band of all-time, but boy where they poppy compared to everyone else on the edge-of-the-radar. That must be one of the many reasons I consider them so much better than Tad or The Melvins. Kurt sometimes implied that his music should only be appreciated by underground fans... but if he believed that, I'm not sure he ever listened to his music. Big choruses and hard guitar riffs had been popular in the mainstream since Kurt was a kid. I like L7 and the Breeders and some bands that benefited from Nirvana's success, but as far as bands who actually followed their lead, I'm not much a fan. I don't much like late-90s/early-00s pop either. What I really like is later in the 00s when it gained the heavier electronic and dance element, and in doing so became more distinct from rock and from 90s balladry.

You know absolutely nothing about my musical tastes. I like as much pop as I do rock, hell Madonna (a pop artist) is by far my favorite female artist, and to this day I enjoy stuff like Kylie, Robyn, Scissor Sisters, Adele, etc.... I even admit that I got onboard with the boyband thing when it happened in the late 90's because I'd just come out and it felt so liberating to say I thought Nick Carter or Nick Lachey were hot... then I realized how grating I found the music. But I will ad mit that I heard "Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely" in a store last week and thought it held up well. Still, a lot of that music was just as base as Tiffany and Paula Abdul was as a kid in the late 80's. That stuff is fast food and people grow out of it once they reach a certain age. Yes, they do the same with their classic rock too but Tom Petty's new music does in fact reach a larger audience than BSB's does, sales prove that. Don't tell me what I think or don't about music because you don't have a GD idea if you think I'm some superior rockist who hates all things pop. No, I grew up when Michael, Prince and Madonna were the be-all end-all of pop music... those three set my "pop" standards higher than Radio Disney fodder like Bieber and Aaron Carter.

I don't think you hate all things pop, I think you hate modern pop. And there's nothing wrong with hating modern pop. But trying to completely discount it would be silly. Your Michael, Prince and Madonna will have their own equivalents in the 00s/10s, that's how music works.

I don't claim to know, or even particularly mind, whether or not Bieber's music endures. But he's already surpassed Aaron Carter several fold, so he's off to a much better start.
 

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I typed out a long-winded reply but it isn't worth it. You are so far off the mark with your assumptions about me it isn't funny. I love tons of current "pop" acts but because I don't like the one marketed to 12 year old girls I'm automatically someone stuck in a Reagan-era time warp who hates all things current? That is absolute BS.

You barked up the wrong tree with your narrow-minded and insulting assumptions about what I think and like. Yes, maybe I think Madonna, Michael and Prince are the "holy grail" pop artists, but it doesn't mean I could namedrop 20 current pop artists I do like and even love (here goes: Adele, Vampire Weekend, Katy Perry, Scissor Sisters, Robyn, Kelis, Goldfrapp, Mumford And Sons, The Killers, James Blake, Ida Maria, Lykke Li, Ting Tings, The Knife, iamamiwhoami, Foster The People, Royksopp, Hurts... thats 18 just off the top of my head).. but you'll overlook it and dismiss me because I don't like one Radio Disney-oriented kiddie star whose only fans my age are pedophiles. Every day I try discovering new artists... but that's fruitless if I dislike Bieber's music?
 
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I wouldn't quite put Foo Fighters in the same category with the rest. I'm not a big fan of theirs but I do think they've proven their worth. But even with Bush, Candlebox, Silverchair (who actually got better in the 2000's), we also had Radiohead, NIN, Bjork, Smashing Pumpkins, Hole and other bands that made the mid-90's a wonderful time to be a teen. Every era has its crap and its good stuff. "Fun happy music" was kinda needed after a few years but then it pretty much took over the industry and got too big for its own good.

I do like mid-90s music but more of the pop-rock (Sheryl Crow, Alanis Morissette) and classic rock (Neil, Petty) variety. I can definitely respect bands like Radiohead and NIN but their style is a bit more on the polished and electronic side, which I dig more in a pop context than in a rock one. As for the Foos... everything they've done sounds like proto-Nickelback to me, not that there's anything wrong with that. I do like Pocketwatch/Late though.
 

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I have an idea, how about we not create pointless arguments in a Justin Bieber thread.

On a music forum at that.

The pointless scale of this whole thing is above the roof.
 

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I feel I should worship this guy! I mean seriously he's a magnet without even trying! How the hell do we think he's going to fade away when even his haters STILL can't resist talking about him! :oyea: I just figured he wasn't on my radar but I may be becoming a fan now! :grinthumb
 

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I feel I should worship this guy! I mean seriously he's a magnet without even trying! How the hell do we think he's going to fade away when even his haters STILL can't resist talking about him! :oyea: I just figured he wasn't on my radar but I may be becoming a fan now! :grinthumb

Sad thing is, probably the only way he gets fans is by this reason, the haters. I'm not saying i'm a fan, but it's kind of backwards how he gets fans out of the reaction the haters give toward him.
 

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lol the haters are to blame for him getting the attention. If they would just shut the **** up and just ignore him, I don't like his music but thats just it I ignore him and whatever shit is being said good or bad about him.
 

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