Illegal Music Downloading

Syd

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I download everything. Except when I really like a band I start buying the CD (Like beatles, I have 10 CDs and DVD). But the reality in Chile is that things are too expensive. A good rock CD will cost at least 20 dollars. But in argentina, CDs are 10 dollars, so when people go to argentina they buiy stuff. But everybody here downloads illegally, because CD are way too expensive.

Plus, artists get their money mostly in concerts. That's why I dont feel I'm "cheating" them and doing bad stuff for them. Because thanks to the fact that I dowloaded that music for free is that I got to know them and then spend 100 dollars on a ticket to see them. And that's the way things work in Chile. Everybody really loves music, but discographic industry is going down. Plus, like in Russia, you only hear in radios music that sucks. All we get is cumbia, reggaeton, and crap pop music. And the good rock bands are really underground. So all we have left is to download their stuff.
 

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I love how the Imesh ad pops up here at work tauting millions of free downloads via their P2P network. :rolleyes:
 

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If bands are unhappy with the money they make on their album sales, then they can leave the record label and do it themselves. That's what Collective Soul did. That's what Prince did. In fact, I saw an interview with Prince from about 6-7 years ago in which he explained how his current studio album (self-released) had only sold around 50,000 copies but he explained that he had already made more money off of that particular studio album than he had from the sales of any of his previous albums, some of which had sold over a million copies (or more).

Point being, I don't see every artist as being an innocent victim without any control over their own career.



More Prince insight into record companies

 

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I used to do it alot, but then I stopped completely when I became a musician, and tried selling my OWN music...
 

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I buy all my albums(cd's),i like to physically own my albums,i like to have them displayed so i can look at them and decide what to listen too,but i have no problem with copying the discs and giving the copies to my neighbour,friends etc,i've never sold a cd.
 

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I buy all my albums(cd's),i like to physically own my albums,i like to have them displayed so i can look at them and decide what to listen too,but i have no problem with copying the discs and giving the copies to my neighbour,friends etc,i've never sold a cd.

I could never have afforded the roughly 50,000 songs in my collection if I had to pay full price (if anything) for them. I paid full price for plenty though.

Still, I'd be more than happy to hand over some cash to Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, John Bonham, etc. this very minute. But not to greedy executives.:mad
 

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Here is my take on this.

I don't feel guilty about downloading music illegally, because I use it as a way to get access to bands and artists that I would never have got the chance to listen to otherwise. If I discover a band through downloading that I really like, then I will buy some of their albums. Besides, ever since YouTube came out, we can listen to almost anything we want on there for free (at least from all the more popular bands), so is it really that much worse to have that song/album saved on your computer for convenience?

I have never, and will never pay for music downloads (iTunes, etc). If I'm going to part with my hard earned money I want something that actually physically exists - something that I can hold in my hands. If I'm going to download music off the internet, then it might as well be for free, because the end result is exactly the same - a digital file saved on my computer.

I used to buy a lot of CDs. But since iPods/MP3s became so widespread, I started to realize that most of the time I would just rip the CD to my computer, iPod, car sound system, etc. and then the CD would just sit in a cabinet and hardly ever get used. So I thought what's the point? I mean, sure, I'd be supporting the artist, but I wanted more for my money than something I could (basically) get for free anyway. Plus, I am a student and don't exactly have a lot of money lying around, so I decided that I'd rather spend my money on things I can't get for free. So I stopped buying CDs for a while.

But then I started getting into vinyl, and this reignited my interest in buying music in a big way. Being a younger music fan I never owned a vinyl player until recently. To me buying vinyl albums (preferably new ones on 180 gram format, but old ones are good too as long as they are still in good condition) seems like a much more worthy investment than buying a CD. They often sound better than CDs (depending on how they are mastered), they are bigger so you can see the artwork much better, and you are much more likely to listen to the album from start to finish as it was intended rather than skipping back and forth between songs like on CD or MP3. If I have bought an album on vinyl, I don't feel guilty at all about downloading an MP3 version of it to listen to in my car, etc. In fact, some albums that are rereleased on vinyl these days come with a coupon for a free MP3 download of the album. Pretty neat idea if you ask me.
 
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i Joined this forum WAY too late. Great topic. In my opinion illegal downloading hurts the industry.Period. I hear all kinds of excuses like, " the record companies are greedy and were screwing the artists any way " or " bands and record companies are just complaining...they just don't make good enough music anymore " . The most hilarious one is " Ill listen to a few songs, and if i like them, i will buy them. " SURE ! You are already on the site, the songs are a click away, and your going to get up, get in your car, drive 3-15 miles, and spend $14 ? :oyea::oyea:

I have heard it all. Back when napster got going in 97-98 i was 100% behind Larz Ulrich when he went to congress...but he backed down. I was PISSED ! Metallica had always been an against the grain band ( yes i know they tape traded , big deal, way different ) i think Larz should have kept at it and told the punk-ass college kids " yeah, im rich and greedy so F off! " That would have been the Metallica thing to do...but he had a big record company up his butt and he was trying to keep Metallicas public relations together.

That was the beginning of the end. Music is not a necessity product...its not even in there with cigarettes , alcohol , and fast food. People are VERY choosy about music. If you screw them on a cd, they may not buy that bands cd again unless they hear better songs on the radio. Plus, back in the day you could buy a new cd, if it sucked, you could take it to the pawn shop and get $4-$6 back out of it. Especially if it was a big well known band.

Record companies are the LEAST evil of the evil corporations. THE LEAST ! Hell, people are lining up to get screwed by private healthcare insurers , they choose to drive huge gas guzzling rigs, spend money on stuff that kills them slowly BUT :wa:wa:wa:wa " I want my music for free !" Really ?

I grew up in the golden age of big performance, high quality produced stadium rock...fulled by what ? MY $$$$$. Bands and tours eat money like mad : Producer studio fees, promotion, attorneys, accountants, busses, fuel, catering, sound and light people, stage roadies,....go read David lee Roth's crazy from the heat....or Kiss and Sell. The industry takes MONEY. And it is a fickle want based industry. Yeah, there a shysters in the industry but that's the way it is in anything. Id trust a record exec with my bank account more than i would a health insurance exec. Those people let people DIE!

Younger people don't have a grasp on this at all. They think you sign a deal and the record company pays you millions of dollars. They don't. They give you advances that you have to pay back and if you aren't bringing in money ? Buh-bye. Once you pay off the advances you get a small % of the income take. For album sales it can be as little as 98c per cd sold....for the whole band ! And that was back before file sharing. The record company has to use alot of the money to keep your band rolling. Even if you are good. Then yeah, the big shots get their cut then the band.

Nowdays if you are not a household name ? You can make it but you have to work you EYEBALLS out. Its sad. I miss the glory days. I always supported music by buying cd's and videos. Always. Never downloaded even 1 song illegally. NEVER.

And sound quality. MP3's suck.
 
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i Joined this forum WAY too late. Great topic. In my opinion illegal downloading hurts the industry.Period. I hear all kinds of excuses like, " the record companies are greedy and were screwing the artists any way " or " bands and record companies are just complaining...they just don't make good enough music anymore " . The most hilarious one is " Ill listen to a few songs, and if i like them, i will buy them. " SURE ! You are already on the site, the songs are a click away, and your going to get up, get in your car, drive 3-15 miles, and spend $14 ? :oyea::oyea:

I have heard it all. Back when napster got going in 97-98 i was 100% behind Larz Ulrich when he went to congress...but he backed down. I was PISSED ! Metallica had always been an against the grain band ( yes i know they tape traded , big deal, way different ) i think Larz should have kept at it and told the punk-ass college kids " yeah, im rich and greedy so F off! " That would have been the Metallica thing to do...but he had a big record company up his butt and he was trying to keep Metallicas public relations together.

That was the beginning of the end. Music is not a necessity product...its not even in there with cigarettes , alcohol , and fast food. People are VERY choosy about music. If you screw them on a cd, they may not buy that bands cd again unless they hear better songs on the radio. Plus, back in the day you could buy a new cd, if it sucked, you could take it to the pawn shop and get $4-$6 back out of it. Especially if it was a big well known band.

Record companies are the LEAST evil of the evil corporations. THE LEAST ! Hell, people are lining up to get screwed by private healthcare insurers , they choose to drive huge gas guzzling rigs, spend money on stuff that kills them slowly BUT :wa:wa:wa:wa " I want my music for free !" Really ?

I grew up in the golden age of big performance, high quality produced stadium rock...fulled by what ? MY $$$$$. Bands and tours eat money like mad : Producer studio fees, promotion, attorneys, accountants, busses, fuel, catering, sound and light people, stage roadies,....go read David lee Roth's crazy from the heat....or Kiss and Sell. The industry takes MONEY. And it is a fickle want based industry. Yeah, there a shysters in the industry but that's the way it is in anything. Id trust a record exec with my bank account more than i would a health insurance exec. Those people let people DIE!

Younger people don't have a grasp on this at all. They think you sign a deal and the record company pays you millions of dollars. They don't. They give you advances that you have to pay back and if you aren't bringing in money ? Buh-bye. Once you pay off the advances you get a small % of the income take. For album sales it can be as little as 98c per cd sold....for the whole band ! And that was back before file sharing. The record company has to use alot of the money to keep your band rolling. Even if you are good. Then yeah, the big shots get their cut then the band.

Nowdays if you are not a household name ? You can make it but you have to work you EYEBALLS out. Its sad. I miss the glory days. I always supported music by buying cd's and dvd's. Always. Never downloaded even 1 song illegally. NEVER.

And sound quality. MP3's suck.

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Thank you! One of the best post in this thread! All their is to not actually put something of value towards something you "supposedly" love is scapegoating and excuses! Congrats on actual contributing to music! :cheers2
 

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Erm... a hell of a lot of people download stuff and then buy the CD. That's not an excuse by any means. This is something done by people who prefer CDs but want to know whether something is worth buying first.

That being said, I don't download music illegally. I buy legal stuff, simply because it's exponentially more convenient. But in cases where something isn't available legally, I'll get it with whatever necessary means.
 

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