Hepcat's Turntable Primer!

mystic fred

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That's a subject for heated debate. There's too much experimental evidence suggesting that listeners can't tell the difference between the cheapest interconnects and cables available at the local hardware store and those that cost $thousands per foot. (I kid you not. Some cables are indeed more expensive than automobiles.)

Heated debate yes, but it really depends on what is being connected! Most budget systems will sound fine with appropriately priced interconnects but all should benefit from good quality interconnects, speaker cables and mains cables, the difference will not be so obvious on very cheap systems, expensive cables will be lost on them.

Midfi systems will show a marked improvement with better quality cables, i use Kimber mains blocks, cables and interconnects, supplied by Russ Andrews and made in USA;

I found them to make a very marked improvement from my QED's as they are designed to reduce radio frequency interference, they use high quality copper cable and will guarantee the best sound from many systems, the interconnects cost around 65-99 pounds each and the mains cables around 45-175 pounds each, the extension blocks start at 179 pounds, speaker cables start around 160 pounds for a 2.5 metre pair, but all these can be bought used on auction sites much cheaper. Kimber also supply mains filters and surge protectors, before all this technical stuff is dismissed as snake oil one should study the logistics and attend a demonstration first, but in most cases the improvements will be obvious first hand.

The more expensive high end cables would not necessarily benefit my humble midfi system but would suit the appropriately named high end systems that cost many thousands of pounds, cables can cost 3,000 each, but as said before the sound is staggering - you gets what you pays for!



I've read/heard that the Linn LP12 sounds great in stores where it's always freshly aligned/balanced but that it's impossible to keep aligned under normal operating use - unless of course the owner also springs for Linn's very expensive Keel armboard and sub-chassis upgrade which is what Linn Corp. wants anyway. This of course always raises the question of why an armboard that works properly is not included as standard equipment with the LP12. Is your LP12 equipped with the Keel armboard?

:huh:

A lot of myths abound about Linn LP12 - to some users arm boards are a matter of taste, the ones that come with the LP12 work perfectly in my experience but there is always an option to upgrade anything. I bought my Linn and had it posted in parts, i took the whole lot to my local hifi dealer's Linn technician who set the deck up to his satisfaction, sounded as a Linn should, and many years later, despite being moved from room to room sometimes, sounds as great as it did the first time i heard it, no instability whatsoever.

The only upgrade i have made is to change the supplied power supply board for a dual speed Hercules II, this design was passed up by Linn as sub quality and is being made by another manufacturer in China, the board works perfectly well but a Lingo upgrade is on the cards...

As for Audio.corps upgrades, all companies' products are obsolete as soon as they hit the shelves and have optional upgrades, key starting prices are critical, especially in the electronics A/V industries!


hope this answers your questions, though remember like many things Audio is very subjective ! :)
 
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A few personal stories may elaborate on the above;

Recently an ex-girlfriend of mine had a well-hammered 30 year old Japanese budget system connected together with originally supplied interconnects and bell-wire speaker cables, she was reasonably happy with it but something had "gone" from the sound...i mentioned changing the cables and although i preferred the changes, small though they were, it sounded "worse" to her. I demo'd some newer very good quality budget amps and speakers, a significant improvement all round, but she hated those saying they sounded "flat and digital", i gave up, but unfortuately she will never be happy.


A workmate of mine in 1980 spent some of his redundancy money on a pair of top of the range Heybrook speakers (400 pounds) and excitedly called us over to hear them...unfortunately he'd kept his old music centre rigged up to them and it sounded awful...but he seemed so happy with this i never said anything.


In 1983 another ex-girlfriend returned from a visit at her friend's house to hear her new cd player...on asking how it sounded she was very impressed by the abscence of surface noise...but how did it sound i repeated..."oh - ok...you don't have to clean them and they fit snugly in a little jewel case with a little booklet...she has a new amp and speakers as well ...it sounds much better than her old music centre"
..well it would, wouldn't it? The marketing policy certainly had a direct hit there...

some time later i worked on a very hard building job to save the money for a cd player and new amp, and clutching a bunch of freshly bought cd's to play.... i was bitterly disappointed, but thats another story ...:bonk:


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^^I see you are very knowledgeable about all this Mystic Fred...I have a nice turntable myself, it cost me quite a bit when I bought it back in the late 70's($1,100.00 roughly) but other than replacing my cartridges and stylus's it's still going strong.

I do agree that most of the 60'-80's music is better on vinyl, there are some exceptions but as a rule they just have something that the CD transfers do not.

However I have also grown to enjoy CD's as well, I think they are getting better all the time, and the same thing is true in digital as in analog, you are only as good as the weakest link in the chain. I have a DSP that absolutely puts you in the front row of a Live classical music concert, I have blown away all my friends when they come over and I pick the Royal Albert Hall and a piece recorded live there.

I like both, analog and digital and some of the SACD, DTS and 5.1 releases are beautiful on CD or DVD. I honestly don't see vinyl ever re-establishing itself as the dominant media again, especially with the crappy "Lossy codec" generation more concerned about how many poor quality songs they can cram into their i-pod than the pursuit of the best sound reproduction possible.

I only like CD's I have tried I-tunes and am not impressed on any level with Apple and their ridiculous cluster****** business model.:mad To me they are ruining music period with their pursuit of profits at the expense of quality.
 

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So yesterday I dropped into my favourite Toronto stereo emporium which specializes in high end turntables. The one the proprietor, John, was demonstrating for another customer was this La Platine Verdier:





The platter alone weighs 140 pounds but is suspended above the base by two opposing electro magnets and thus floats in the air. This of course is to minimize any transfer of vibrations from the motor which rotates the platter by means of a thread (a very strong one I'm sure)! The price of this turntable is a mere $300,000, which is not much more than the price of some of the houses in Toronto.

:****:

Truthfully though I've never been knocked out by the systems John has played for me. He prefers a very neutral sound in which all channels blend together, i.e. the sound all coming together in one sweet spot with no audible separation. Meanwhile I prefer a very bright sound with distinct separation between channels. Oh well....

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^ very nice! wouldn't mind having one of those in the room, a good "conversation" piece, but agree like good stereo separation myself, though some Audiophile purists are obsessive about Mono records...and wouldn't be seen dead with a cd!



@LordGrendel - i have a good collection of SACD/DVD-A in stereo and 5.1, shame all albums aren't in this 24 bit format, then vinyl would really have "the dog" snapping at its heels!

I visit a Linn forum, many of the members there have expensive DS players but still wouldn't let go of their vinyl...

Classical music fans embraced the cd straight away, especially after Von Karajan's endorsement -they had long running issues with surface noise during quiet passages and were enthusiastic, though those old Decca SXL's are still hard to beat for dynamics!



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^ don't see why they shouldn't be in any colour you want Flower, the record makers don't seem to mind!


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I'd immediately put one of those Music Hall MMF 9.1 turntables at the top of my buy list if they were available in multiple colours.

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