"Hair Metal" vs Grunge

[Marla 1976]

Back in the days my friend and I were into the Runaways, for two reasons, firstly we thought they were sexy and secondly they played some good Rock. In England we had equivalent girl band called Girl School.

I still get goose pump watching them playing with Motorhead, their chemistry together was electric (pardon the pun) Both lead singers RIP.

One thing you have to admit; as goofy as the 80's hair band guitarists looked with the big hair, make-up and spandex they spent years mastering their craft with blistering guitar riffs and killer solos whereas Cobain shot up the charts playing rinky-dink power chords and amateurish piss ant guitar solos. Go figure! A few months back I was in a local music store and saw this young 15-ish looking boy playing the guitar intro to Alice Cooper's "Poison" on a Fender Strat. I walked up to him and shook his hand and thanked him for NOT playing that "Come as you are" or "Smells like Teen Spirit" bullshit like most people I hear his age play. Judging from the smile he gave me he knew exactly what I was getting at!

 

[Romulus]

Loved that Alice Cooper video. His life style is a little contradiction to his stage persona. He and his wife both are children of preachers. Both appear regularly to go to church each week and have been married since I think late seventies. He explains that his works is just pretend, theatrics but his life style is Christian. He admitted that he was an alcoholic but with help of his Wife he got through it. I hope its all true because its such a good story.

Many moons ago I was with my young daughter (she was then about 7 to 10 years old) in a music shop and I picked up a CD of Deep Purple showing the group. She then enthusiastically said to me something like "Look Daddy theres Roger Glover, Ian Paice, Jon Lord, Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore" Next to us stood an ageing hippy who also was looking at Cds, I will never forget his expression of absolute astonishment that a young child would indentify so precisley the members of an old Rock band. I was so proud, trained my daughter up beautifuly!!!

 

[Marla 1976]

Loved that Alice Cooper video. His life style is a little contradiction to his stage persona. He and his wife both are children of preachers. Both appear regularly to go to church each week and have been married since I think late seventies. He explains that his works is just pretend, theatrics but his life style is Christian. He admitted that he was an alcoholic but with help of his Wife he got through it. I hope its all true because its such a good story.

Many moons ago I was with my young daughter (she was then about 7 to 10 years old) in a music shop and I picked up a CD of Deep Purple showing the group. She then enthusiastically said to me something like "Look Daddy theres Roger Glover, Ian Paice, Jon Lord, Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore" Next to us stood an ageing hippy who also was looking at Cds, I will never forget his expression of absolute astonishment that a young child would indentify so precisley the members of an old Rock band. I was so proud, trained my daughter up beautifuly!!!

In 89 i had this video on VHS and i broke the cassette cause i played and rewinded it so many many times... Love this VIDEO !!Do you know that this is the sequel to "Poison" video. Poison was about fighting his senses and trying not to loving someone who he knows was "venenomus poison", and we can assume in the end he failed and ended loving her so roughly, until the point turned violent. The riff in the brginning is similar to the one of Poison but very slow. The album 'TRASH' starts with side A with Poison and side B starts with Bed Of Nails.

 

[OldHippie]

Awful lot of analyzing going on here. Rock isn’t dead, it’s just hiding from all the crap that’s spewing from corporate radio. @Trickster and @Nai Noswad said it all. @Marla 1976 Welcome, great to have you here.

 

[OldHippie]

You tube is one of the greatest gifts of the tech era. I have found some great new music and some great stuff that I missed the first time around. Rock is there, you just gotta find it.

 

[Marla 1976]

Awful lot of analyzing going on here. Rock isn’t dead, it’s just hiding from all the crap that’s spewing from corporate radio. @Trickster and @Nai Noswad said it all. @Marla 1976 Welcome, great to have you here.

You have to admit that Nirvana ruined rock & roll. Since Nirvana, rock has slowly exited mainstream consciousness.

 

[Nai Noswad]

The likes of YouTube has introduced me to music i had lost or would never get the chance to hear. Music is a sprawling and wonderful thing..and what a terrific gift to be able to write a classic song...and then live in our hearts and minds for the whole world. Personally i never attatched fashion to the music i liked...apart from dyeing my hair blue!
I really like The Carpenters and Andy Williams.Discovered George Jones which in turn took me to Waylon Jennings and beyond. Nivarna were an integral part of the 'jigsaw'..and were a breath of fresh air at the time. Teen Spirit was a little piece that fitted in that puzzle. Take it or leave it..but they are added to the tapestry just the same. CRF stands as an example to my theory and serves as a great reference point to the worlds music...really!..no BS.
And since joining i am hearing music that i would and did miss..mainly heavy stuff on 'No Videos' thread..which i may add that the artwork on those sleeves is quite something. Never been a music snob or elitist...another persons gold is someone else's trash.
Now, where's my remix 12" of Crazy Horses??

 

[Slipn]

I'm going to shoot from the hip on my post here.. Butch Vig produced Nirvana. He was from the band Garbage and they you could say was somewhat into pop punk style music.. Lyrics that were in your face. And Nirvana wanted Butch to produce them.
Seattle was into heavy punk at the time. I don't recall the name of the girl who was murdered, but nasty ass punk bands were the big thing at the time.. Nivana got alot of credit for starting the grunge scene.
I think it was the previous few bands who never get mentioned. The media gives it all to Nirvana.

Now let me say this about the 80's LA scene rock bands.. IMO.. I feel they got their inspiration from no other than... VAN HALEN!!

Van Halen came into the music era in the late 70's and had the same formula that the 80's hair bands enjoyed when it came to raunchy rock and roll music..
You have Eddie who pretty much had huge guitar riffs that had you mesmerized through those solo's and then David with the kicks and acrobatics and stage presence.
They were a safe group to like because they were in your face with great songs about.. You got it.. Women.. Partying and everything a teenager could relate too.

So that's my cheap opinion on the matter of the evolution of a ever changing industry.. Besides.. If there's a need to blame someone.. It has to be the guys behind selling the music to the population of hungry for something new generations..

Marla.. Your lucky to be apart of this very friendly discussion group who have embraced your passion.
I can count on one hand members on this forum who have been involved in both this forum and another one, years ago.
The other forum had more or less alot of noobs who came on there to just make as much fun of hair bands and other popular bands like KISS to the point it got out of control with moderators who wanted nothing more than to park the threads about any bands they conceived as worthless. So this group is very polite about the topic. Hell your head would have spun if you had to deal with the Nirvana group on there..
Anyway's.. I'm with the opinion of the older one's in this group. I liked the stuff from the 60's and 70's who I feel sent a good message in their lyrics that had nothing to do with living it up because tomorrow we die.
Bands today to me stay away from the stuff bands from the protest day's used to sing about..
Read Black Sabbath's War Pig's lyric's sometime.. Those lyric's to this day still make more sense to me that alot of the stuff I hear being said in the newer rock music..
OK.. Just my bit..
Welcome..
And how do you feel about Rival Son's and Chickenfoot??

 

[OldHippie]

You have to admit that Nirvana ruined rock & roll. Since Nirvana, rock has slowly exited mainstream consciousness.

Nirvana to me is like The Ramone’s we’re in the 70’s, raw, in your face and making no apologies. Nirvana was needed at that time to shake things up a bit. We could really use a band like that today.

 

[OldHippie]

The likes of YouTube has introduced me to music i had lost or would never get the chance to hear. Music is a sprawling and wonderful thing..and what a terrific gift to be able to write a classic song...and then live in our hearts and minds for the whole world. Personally i never attatched fashion to the music i liked...apart from dyeing my hair blue!
I really like The Carpenters and Andy Williams.Discovered George Jones which in turn took me to Waylon Jennings and beyond. Nivarna were an integral part of the 'jigsaw'..and were a breath of fresh air at the time. Teen Spirit was a little piece that fitted in that puzzle. Take it or leave it..but they are added to the tapestry just the same. CRF stands as an example to my theory and serves as a great reference point to the worlds music...really!..no BS.
And since joining i am hearing music that i would and did miss..mainly heavy stuff on 'No Videos' thread..which i may add that the artwork on those sleeves is quite something. Never been a music snob or elitist...another persons gold is someone else's trash.
Now, where's my remix 12" of Crazy Horses??

Way back in 1971 I listened to an AM station out of Little Rock, Ark. The Mighty 10-90 KAAY. They played all them groups that didn’t get any airplay. There was 1 song in particular that they played that I never heard before or since. Several years ago I found it on You Tube. Life was right again.