Lemmy hates rap and pop music

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Whatever rap/hip hop may or may not be, it is at least 100% relevant to the year 2012, and it has had a huge impact on western music and modern culture, possibly more so even than punk did, it's the music that young kids listen to today in the same way as we listened to Tull or Zep or Sabbath when we were that age. Some rap is incredibly thought-provoking and socially significant.

It's also btw had a huge impact on racial issues amongst young people, and it has united kids of different cross cultures and backgrounds in the common love of music, and a mutual respect and understanding that I don't see amongst their parents sadly. The audience for predominantly 'black'-performed rap is mostly white kids, so as happened with 'disco' back in the 70's (another much maligned genre) rap has again broken down many of the racial stereotypes which still exist today in most 'rock' music genres...unless that is there has been a huge upsurge in sales of the new Van Halen album amongst kids living in Harlem and the South Bronx and Brixton, London that I'm not hearing about?
 

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Well then maybe they should give all rappers nobel peace prizes. It seems you don't really have to do anything these days to get one of them.

But as far as something I want to listen to? Please. Life is too short to listen to nonsense just because everyone else does.
 

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That was a wonderfully-written post TS. Thank you for that and you made some very valid points. :clap:
 

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I still wonder why anyone even cares that Lemmy hates rap and pop. It takes an open mind to even appreciate what some artists of those genres can do. (I for one don't like pop either, not my kind of music at all) I like rap if it is done in good taste. Then again I think the same of rock and metal.

I will say I agree with your post The Sound. Some very good valid points you put out there. :grinthumb
 

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Whatever rap/hip hop may or may not be, it is at least 100% relevant to the year 2012, and it has had a huge impact on western music and modern culture, possibly more so even than punk did, it's the music that young kids listen to today in the same way as we listened to Tull or Zep or Sabbath when we were that age. Some rap is incredibly thought-provoking and socially significant.

It's also btw had a huge impact on racial issues amongst young people, and it has united kids of different cross cultures and backgrounds in the common love of music, and a mutual respect and understanding that I don't see amongst their parents sadly. The audience for predominantly 'black'-performed rap is mostly white kids, so as happened with 'disco' back in the 70's (another much maligned genre) rap has again broken down many of the racial stereotypes which still exist today in most 'rock' music genres...unless that is there has been a huge upsurge in sales of the new Van Halen album amongst kids living in Harlem and the South Bronx and Brixton, London that I'm not hearing about?

I don't really care about all that TS...I take Rap as just music and it is the most mindless boring musical form in history period.

Besides a lot of the lyrical content in Rap is beyond embarrassing/insulting...and honestly there is so much better quality music around I simply can't waste what time I have with it. I feel sorry for an entire generation that has grown up with it as their "theme".
 

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Whatever rap/hip hop may or may not be, it is at least 100% relevant to the year 2012, and it has had a huge impact on western music and modern culture, possibly more so even than punk did, it's the music that young kids listen to today in the same way as we listened to Tull or Zep or Sabbath when we were that age. Some rap is incredibly thought-provoking and socially significant.

It's also btw had a huge impact on racial issues amongst young people, and it has united kids of different cross cultures and backgrounds in the common love of music, and a mutual respect and understanding that I don't see amongst their parents sadly. The audience for predominantly 'black'-performed rap is mostly white kids, so as happened with 'disco' back in the 70's (another much maligned genre) rap has again broken down many of the racial stereotypes which still exist today in most 'rock' music genres...unless that is there has been a huge upsurge in sales of the new Van Halen album amongst kids living in Harlem and the South Bronx and Brixton, London that I'm not hearing about?

:grinthumb

Well said TS! ...... and by the way I don't listen much anymore to rap.
 

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I recently posted in a thread on another forum, called something like 'Genres you don't like/conversion'. The idea being that someone tried to persuade you to accept a genre which you don't like. I began by saying I did not like rap and no-one could persuade me otherwise. At first they told me there was no point in posting, but then asked me why I didn't like rap. This was my reply:

"It is because:
- I like singing, not shouted/chanted/spoken lyrics;
- I like people who can write and record their own material, not people who shout over someone else's sampled music;
- I like rock music, not (for the most part) rhythm-based tracks;
- I cannot relate to the lyrics, ie. drugs, expletives, misogyny, violence, race hatred and the like;
- I don't like the cliches, such as the hand-gestures, over-sized chains, 'designer' baseball caps, wearing a tracksuit not for the gym, jerky formation dancing, walking with an affected swagger;
- I don't like people singing about the streets of New York, when they've never been;
- I don't like the chanting in affected accents.

In truth, I don't dislike all rap, for example: Afrika Bambataa's You've Lost That Love; Grandmaster Flash's White Lines; Gary Byrd's The Crown; Last Night a DJ Saved my Life by Indeep; De La Soul's Fallin'. Rap purists probably don't like these anyway."

To their credit the OPs did not dismiss the latter tracks and recommended a group called The Roots, which use live instruments, and which I must admit are good. The trouble is, when I asked about other rap acts which use live instruments, there didn't seem to be any. There are multi-instrumentalists in rap, but that doesn't necessarily equate to good music.

Needless to say, I got comments on the errors of judging by mainstream acts, generalising, not listening and lacking a sense of irony. In the end, I just don't like rap in the same way I don't expect everyone else to like heavy and progressive rock. The difference is that heavy and progressive rock is not being forced on anyone.
 

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I recently posted in a thread on another forum, called something like 'Genres you don't like/conversion'. The idea being that someone tried to persuade you to accept a genre which you don't like. I began by saying I did not like rap and no-one could persuade me otherwise. At first they told me there was no point in posting, but then asked me why I didn't like rap. This was my reply:

"It is because:
- I like singing, not shouted/chanted/spoken lyrics;
- I like people who can write and record their own material, not people who shout over someone else's sampled music;
- I like rock music, not (for the most part) rhythm-based tracks;
- I cannot relate to the lyrics, ie. drugs, expletives, misogyny, violence, race hatred and the like;
- I don't like the cliches, such as the hand-gestures, over-sized chains, 'designer' baseball caps, wearing a tracksuit not for the gym, jerky formation dancing, walking with an affected swagger;
- I don't like people singing about the streets of New York, when they've never been;
- I don't like the chanting in affected accents.

In truth, I don't dislike all rap, for example: Afrika Bambataa's You've Lost That Love; Grandmaster Flash's White Lines; Gary Byrd's The Crown; Last Night a DJ Saved my Life by Indeep; De La Soul's Fallin'. Rap purists probably don't like these anyway."

To their credit the OPs did not dismiss the latter tracks and recommended a group called The Roots, which use live instruments, and which I must admit are good. The trouble is, when I asked about other rap acts which use live instruments, there didn't seem to be any. There are multi-instrumentalists in rap, but that doesn't necessarily equate to good music.

Needless to say, I got comments on the errors of judging by mainstream acts, generalising, not listening and lacking a sense of irony. In the end, I just don't like rap in the same way I don't expect everyone else to like heavy and progressive rock. The difference is that heavy and progressive rock is not being forced on anyone.

BE, if everyone actually took the route you just did regarding your stance on any particular genre they disliked I don't think the debate would exist. If you enter any demographic you are bound to be that guy at some point where you can't even mention an artist of your genre or the genre itself in any respect to a topic without getting questioned not just for the audacity to like that music but for your intelligence and personal worthiness to rate any music based on liking that one thing. Like here, we are blessed to have such a civil base of members BUT I've even seen the crudest behavior towards listeners who LOVE Classic Rock but also happen to like some rap. What I'm saying is like anything things get heightened and on the defense when one becomes a ***** for liking something and usually the civility you just utilized is lost before anyone makes the first move. In my opinion, what you wrote made me see logic in your choice even though it's not all inclusive it shows what you see. This is how I'd like to see debate in a forum! :grinthumb
 
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