In reply to Tray73, when he asked for requests I shouted "Drown" and he said, "sounds good to me". The song is from the "Singles" film soundtrack. I love the acoustic stuff from the unplugged sessions, I also adore (lol) the James Iah album.
Dude, you are awesome for digging the James Iha album! I'm including that as part of the package for this thread but it's along ways down the road as I have a long ways to go in the thread!
I love the Pumpkins, one of my fave bands of all time, I have Billy's album too, not bad at all. I used to buy everything they did, picture discs and box sets and everything. Thanks for the thread Soot and Stars it is amazing, Pissant is one of my fave tracks and Bye June.
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I may get a bit of flak from Soot and Stars for this but...overrated. I don't find much appeal in their music, and everyone who is a fan puts them up on a high pedestal. I will admit they have some good songs, but the ones I like are their more "commercial" stuff, like 1979 and Cherub Rock
I may get a bit of flak from Soot and Stars for this but...overrated. I don't find much appeal in their music, and everyone who is a fan puts them up on a high pedestal. I will admit they have some good songs, but the ones I like are their more "commercial" stuff, like 1979 and Cherub Rock
You have the right to your opinion dude but the fact that their fans put them on a high pedestal says something about the pure connection that fans make with the band. A connection like that doesn't know the word overrated which is a word used by music intellectuals that think there is a measuring stick for art. IMO PinkFreud, while I respect your right to say as much, the most overrated thing in the world is saying a bands overrated!
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^^ I will agree with this and back up what you just said Soot. I've always felt that way...whether one person is or isn't into a band...doesn't the fact that an artist who has alot of fans who hold them in high esteem show that they're special to their people or at times to a greater degree all people??
The Psycho Tapes as seen earlier in the thread are simply a collection of the earliest found Pumpkins footage. The sound quality isn't the greatest but it shows the band at it's most carnal and visceral. In this session of songs they are really jamming and Billy shows why he's such an underrated guitar player!
I Am My End
(Ladies and Gentleman! Ghost and Goblins!)
Try To Try
(Just ****ing Try! Nice! )
Love (Old)
(Just a catchy jam)
Rhinocerous
(single off of Gish in pre album form)
Venus In Furs
(Seeing this had me look up the original VU song, won't make the comparison here but a pretty good cover IMO)
Spiteface
(an epic six minute jam)
C'mon
(Awesome! Billy just becomes a headbanger at the end of this!)
I agree Jimmy had a great presence in the band but I'll always believe it's Billy's vision overall so that carries me forward personally! The following video syncs up well with my thread so far and is a cool doc on the early years/formation of the group! I particularly like the material about everything already being done and playing with all your influences. It reminds me of the plagiarism thread and I think it's a great answer to that!
The first set of songs to be produced in the 90's which would be the Pumpkins golden era are these two chillout demos recorded in SP land itself, Chicago!
Jesus Is The Sun
Christ knows
As christ grows
Christ shows nothing but love
Jesus
Can you hear me
My pain is echoed through you
Is your head filled with lies
And do you despise me if i try
If i try, why, why
Jesus is the sun
You won't miss me
Like i miss you too
You'll be sorry
Like i'm sorry, why
It's not easy
When you're on your own
My love's weakness
Your love's strength and bone
Is your head filled with lies
And do you despise me if i try
Why
Jesus is the sun
Christ knows
As christ grows
Christ shows nothing but love
But love
Translucent
Now, I think this is an appropriate time to expand on Billy's spiritual nature as any SP fan knows that spirituality has a huge place in Billy's writing and a lot of it seems to lean towards Christianity. He recently created a spiritual website/blog (currently under maintenance) and he's never been afraid to keep his beliefs in the open through song and in his interviews. Here are a series of quotes from the singer himself discussing spirituality.
I didn't find Jesus. He's been there the whole time.
I don't have to play by these rules or do these things... I can actually have my own kind of version.
My version, of course, is not this flag-waving, let's all get on the Jesus train and ride out of hell. I'm not that kind of guy. It's an embrace that life is good, worth living and yeah, it's not easy, but there are more pluses than minuses.
I've always been spiritual but I've never had a proper context, and it took me awhile to find the proper context. It's hard to realize you can have any kind of relationship with God you want... and so I now have a punk rock relationship with God.
A lot of this is rock star talk and all it's indulgence I admit. I mean any celeb you shouldn't take what they say without a grain of salt and you should form your own opinions but I have a similar feeling to spirituality as Corgan does. I believe that God will find you through life rather than through the traditional fire and brimstone, sinners and saints, Heaven and Hell methodology that usually is used to convert people to Jesus and God. That's where I seem to sync with Billy's second quote.
Billy also seems to be on the path that life is good with both it's good and bad. I agree! I prefer having both good and bad. Personally, I think that balance is the best thing God could of given us. How can we appreciate the good if we don't know the bad. I think using the bad things in life to criticize God is the lamest tactic ever. So I believe that's where Billy's third comment syncs with me.
I'm not preaching here by the way, but honestly I'm reading these quotes for the first time and it really says something about the music we like. Sometimes it syncs with us because it comes from a source that similar to us in moree ways than we'll ever know!
The following songs were the first I've found to be worked alongside this man:
Butch Vig
This master producer helped The Smashing Pumpkins as well as Nirvana become staples of the 90's rock revolution. He even was a member of two bands. One as most know was Garbage but the other he was in before his success as a producer was called:
Spooner
Here are some tracks which I think are cool to show because the sound aside from the vocals has elements of SP (especially the intro on the first vid and the guitar in Sense of Wonder.
Spooner-Will You Remember Me
Spooner-Sense of Wonder
Spooner-Where You Gonna Run
So Butch's history album wise with the Smashing Pumpkins was the upcoming debut Gish and the milestone Siamese Dream. His success may be measured by Nirvanas-Nevermind more than anything but his work and relationship with the Smashing pumpkins equally show his brilliance as much as anything. I'll add some tidbits as I go along but one of the things that is noted for the earlier songs is that Butch Vig and Billy made sure it had an unprocessed sound particularly with the drums and they were aiming for a guitar sound that stood apart from it's contemporaries at the time!
Here are some of the tracks that were recorded pre-Gish in the studio with Vig but ended up being B-sides! I won't put a vid for the studio version because they ended up on Gish itself, the Lull EP and the Pisces Iscariot B-Sides album which I'm reviewing separately. Here are the B-sides in alternate forms though.
The following were created in the same studio and together formed the Smashing Pumpkins second release of a single after I Am One. The lead off single was Tristessa with La Dolly Vita and HoneySpider (U.K. release only) as b-sides. This was released on Sub-Pop records, the label famous for releasing Nirvana's debut Bleach and would be their only work through the label.
Tristessa Single (Sub Pop Records)
Tristessa
(words translates as sadness)
La Dolly Vita
(a live version)
Honey Spider
As a bonus here's a track that was recorded around the time of the single and hasn't shown up on any EPs or album collections. It's a cover of a song by Ozarka Mountain Daredevils.
The Smashing Pumpkins first label for releasing an album was an independent called
Caroline Records
The label was started in 1973 and distributed through EMI. It has released the beginnings of artist careers such as Ben Folds Five, White Zombie, Goo Goo Dolls and Hole!
Re: "The Official" (The) Smashing Pumpkins Thread 
I'm including that as part of the package for this thread but it's along ways down the road as I have a long ways to go in the thread! 
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