Are the Rolling Stones really Satanists?

[Velvetclown]

Maybe It´s just me being tired.

[Cincinnatus]

nope

[Astrid Kirchherr65]

Originally Posted by rtbuck I always have to laugh at this stuff! Every time I go to a concert(especially the free out door concerts) these protesters are out their with their signs. Hell, this past weekend I was at a food festival & they were protesting that. I used to work with a guy who was born again & I loved getting into discussions about music because he was convinced that rock music was the work of the Devil. I didn't believe any of that crap but I did enjoy a book he gave me by Fletcher Brothers where Brothers had chapters on all different satanic bands including Bruce Springsteen!!! This was around '84 so I can't remember many of the details on bands but it was similar to this article. He also gave me a video of a kid who was born again after trying to kill himself after listening to Judas Priest. He put a shotgun in his mouth & actually lived (his face is pretty messed up after that) & he blamed it all on Judas Priest!!!!!

oMG Bucky, I was exposed to a similar experience with a friend /co worker !

Was the book called The Backside Of Satan ? Anyway I read that part on bands they deemed satanic...I saw The Beatles and The Eagles {Don Henley is a High Preist according to them } I SAID ok right and got HECK away from them..The Beatles sang and promoted LOVE ..Love ! How Can that be satanic..the reasoning was most likely due to John's Infamous statement ..Can't recall now how they justfied this ? It was ignorant. Amy Grant was ok..then she ran off and committed adultery with Vince Gill..nice !


Anyhoo. As far as The Stones , I dont know ..I know that when Keef was dating Anita Pallenburg ..they were heavily involved into devil worship..it was imo just something they dabbled in while the did some very harsh drugs and at the time they played some heavy games involving it. But I don't think it was much more than a novelty .During this late 60's /mid 70 'sSatanism and witchcraft was very popular in pop culture. And They just were into the hip part of it in my opinion. ..

Movies like The' Exorcist'and Rosemary's Baby' etc very massively popular,
Manson Murders and The Zodiac Murders were in the news/those involved satanism /occult, and the music produced many bands and artists that used the occult to sell music.. Blue Oyster Cult, Black Sabbath , ..it was a fad..

No I don't believe The Rolling Stones were actually Satanist//But I don't care if they were

I personally don't care

[Astrid Kirchherr65]

Facts about the song

Sympathy For The Devil

I found when looking for the facts about Keith Richards and Anita Pallenburgs' occultism phase :

Interesting : But It's alot


This perpetuated the image of the Stones as frightening bad boys, as opposed to the clean-cut Beatles. It was great marketing for the band.
The lyrics were inspired by The Master and Margarita, a book by Mikhail Bulgakov. British singer Marianne Faithfull was Mick Jagger's girlfriend at the time and she gave him the book. Faithfull came from an upper-class background and exposed Jagger to a lot of new ideas. In the book, the devil is a sophisticated socialite, a "man of wealth and taste."
Jagger claims this is about the dark side of man, not a celebration of Satanism.
A documentary by French filmmaker Jean-Luc Godard called One Plus One captured the recording of this song, which took place over 5 days: June 5, 6, 8 - 10, 1968. At one point, a lamp for the documentary started a fire in the studio. The tapes were saved, but a lot of the Stones' equipment was destroyed. (thanks, Rich - Midland Park, NJ)
The original title was "The Devil Is My Name." Says Jagger: "Songs can metamorphasize. And Sympathy for the Devil is one of those songs that started off like one thing, I wrote it one way and then we started the change the rhythm. And then it became completely different. And then it got very exciting. It started off as a Folk song and then became a Samba. A good song can become anything. It's got lots of historical references and lots of poetry."
Keith Richards (2002): "Sympathy is quite an uplifting song. It's just a matter of looking the Devil in the face. He's there all the time. I've had very close contact with Lucifer - I've met him several times. Evil - people tend to bury it and hope it sorts itself out and doesn't rear its ugly head. Sympathy for the Devil is just as appropriate now, with 9/11. There it is again, big time. When that song was written, it was a time of turmoil. It was the first sort of international chaos since World War II. And confusion is not the ally of peace and love. You want to think the world is perfect. Everybody gets sucked into that. And as America has found out to its dismay, you can't hide. You might as well accept the fact that evil is there and deal with it any way you can. Sympathy for the Devil is a song that says, Don't forget him. If you confront him, then he's out of a job." (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France, for above 2)
The Stones played this at the Altamont Speedway concert in 1969 before a fan was fatally stabbed. The crowd got more unruly as the song went on. The Stones were playing "Under My Thumb" when the stabbing occurred, but they did not perform "Sympathy For The Devil" for 7 years after the incident due to the public outcry.
Some of the historical events mentioned in this song are the crucifixion of Christ, the Russian Revolution, World War II, and the Kennedy Assassinations. Robert Kennedy was killed after this was written, but they changed the lyrics to get in the timely reference.
Other historical events alluded to in the song include the 100 years war ("fought for ten decades") and the Holocaust ("and the furnace stank"). (thanks, Phil - Rochester, NY)
The "Whoo-Whoo" backing vocals were added when Richard's girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg, did it during a take and the Stones liked how it sounded. Pallenberg sang this on the record along with Keith Richards, Brian Jones, Bill Wyman, Marianne Faithfull and Jimmy Miller. (thanks, Rich - Midland Park, NJ)
Stones producer Jimmy Miller: "Anita (Pallenberg) was the epitome of what was happening at the time. She was very Chelsea. She'd arrive with the elite film crowd. During Sympathy for the Devil when I started going whoo, whoo in the control room, so did they I had the engineer set up a mike so they could go out in the studio and whoo, whoo." (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France)
On their 1989 Steel Wheels tour, The Stones performed this with Jagger standing high above the stage next to a fire. Mick wore a safety belt in case he fell.
The Stones performed this on Rock and Roll Circus, a British TV special The Stones taped in 1968 but never aired. It was released on video in 1995. During the performance, Jagger removes his shirt to reveal devil tattoos on his chest and arms.
Guns N' Roses covered this in 1995 for the move Interview With The Vampire (This song appears at the end of the movie, which stars Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and a young Kirsten Dunst). Their version hit #9 in England. Jane's Addiction also did a cover. (thanks, Brett - Edmonton, Canada)
The beat is based on a Samba rhythm. Says Richards: "Sympathy for the Devil started as sort of a folk song with acoustics, and ended up as a kind of mad samba, with me playing bass and overdubbing the guitar later. That's why I don't like to go into the studio with all the songs worked out and planned beforehand."
The opening lines of this song, "Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste" were quoted by The Devil character (played by actor Rick Collins) in the film The Toxic Avenger Part III: The Last Temptation of Toxie. (thanks, Jeff - Haltom City, TX)
In 2003, The Stones released this as a "maxi-single," with 4 versions of the song. The original was on there, as well as remixes by The Neptunes, Fatboy Slim, and Full Phatt.
The industrial band Laibach released an entire album containing different covers of this. The character and tone of the Laibach covers are largely very different from the Stones original. In the opening track the lead singer sings/shouts in a very deep bass voice with a thick Slavic accent. One of their covers contains references to the violence at the Altamont raceway.
Some other worthy covers: Sandra Bernhard, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Bryan Ferry, Guns N' Roses, Jane's Addiction, The London Symphony Orchestra, Natalie Merchant, U2. (thanks, Neal - Cleveoh, OH)
One verse of lyrics was recited by Intel Vice President Steve McGeady during his testimony in Microsoft's antitrust trial in November 1998. McGeady had written a memo about Microsoft with the subject "Sympathy For The Devil," and when asked whether he was calling Microsoft the devil, McGeady recited the passage about using your well-learned politesse. (thanks, Keith - Seattle, WA)
In his book Mystery Train, Greil Marcus states that this was influenced by Robert Johnson's song "Me and the Devil Blues." Keith Richards describes Johnson's influence as "Like a comet or a meteor" in the liner notes to Robert Johnson - The Complete Recordings. (thanks, elijah - Cincinnati, OH)
The "Troubadours who got killed before they reached Bombay" refers to the hippies who traveled the "Hippie Trail" by road. Many on them were killed and ripped off by drug peddlers in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Those shady deals were probably the "traps." (thanks, Jose - Minneapolis, MN)
Jagger (1995): "It has a very hypnotic groove, a samba, which has a tremendous hypnotic power, rather like good dance music. It doesn't speed up or down. It keeps this constant groove. Plus, the actual samba rhythm is a great one to sing on, but it's also got some other suggestions in it, an undercurrent of being primitive - because it is a primitive African, South American, Afro-whatever-you-call-that rhythm. So to white people, it has a very sinister thing about it. But forgetting the cultural colors, it is a very good vehicle for producing a powerful piece.

[DaKillerWolf]

I see organized religion as nothing more then a form of mind control
so anyone who rebels against the Christian church is headed down the right path, IMO . Many of us who have traveled that road come to the realization that Satanism is nothing more then just another organization and seek out a more positive alternative as we grow older .
That said , As long as it does no harm to others do what thou wilt .

In other words it doesn't concern me one way or the other .

[Astrid Kirchherr65]

Originally Posted by DaKillerWolf I see organized religion as nothing more then a form of mind control so anyone who rebels against the Christian church is headed down the right path, IMO . Many of us who have traveled that road come to the realization that Satanism is nothing more then just another organization and seek out a more positive alternative as we grow older . That said , As long as it does no harm to others do what thou wilt . In other words it doesn't concern me one way or the other .

I agree with on all points

[Magic]

If they are, it doesn't matter to me. What would matter to me, though, is if they began growing horns on their heads, huge teeth, and began eating small children/animals for sacrifice...

That would be the day I would run for cover

[METALPRIEST]

[Magic]

yea, that would freak me out if Mick turned his head in a 360 .


cant you just picture that, Mick singing "Start Me Up" and his head doing a 360...

[METALPRIEST]

A 360 with this expression

[METALPRIEST]

[Travelin' Man]

Damn I hate zealots. To be honest, I'm more concerned with the intentions of David J. Stewart and the website his article was at. Fun governors. If it doesn't conform to what they think is healthy/good/moral for us, then it MUST be the work of the devil!!! Screw them and cross they got hung up on (the zealots, that is....not your everyday run of the mill Christian)!

Evil is in the heart of man. Period. I've listened to rock and roll my entire life and I've only ever killed 2 people. OK, 3, but that last guy totally had it comin'!

Of course I'm kidding............

Or am I?

This is an example of religious belief run amok. KISS was labeled Knights In Satan's Service by another group of zealots. Zealots who apparently felt it was OK to spread falsehoods (bear false witness) so long as it served their purpose. How very Christian of them! I guess anything goes so long as it's done in the name of (fill in the blank most suited to you).

I think people like this are far more dangerous than anything that the Stones or KISS ever did/said. What does their logic lead to? Total intolerance like that of the Westboro Baptist Church? Where does it end..........if anywhere?

Whatever your beliefs, religious fanaticism is one of the greatest evils of modern society. In 11 days we're going to mark the 9th anniversary of an event that supports that statement pretty well. And what about Oklahoma City? How about Waco? Sadness in the name of God.

So what did The Rolling Stones ever do to you? Help you have a good time?

Yeah, me too. Damn my evil ways.

[Astrid Kirchherr65]

Originally Posted by Travelin' Man Damn I hate zealots. To be honest, I'm more concerned with the intentions of David J. Stewart and the website his article was at. Fun governors. If it doesn't conform to what they think is healthy/good/moral for us, then it MUST be the work of the devil!!! Screw them and cross they got hung up on (the zealots, that is....not your everyday run of the mill Christian)! Evil is in the heart of man. Period. I've listened to rock and roll my entire life and I've only ever killed 2 people. OK, 3, but that last guy totally had it comin'! Of course I'm kidding............ Or am I? This is an example of religious belief run amok. KISS was labeled Knights In Satan's Service by another group of zealots. Zealots who apparently felt it was OK to spread falsehoods (bear false witness) so long as it served their purpose. How very Christian of them! I guess anything goes so long as it's done in the name of (fill in the blank most suited to you). I think people like this are far more dangerous than anything that the Stones or KISS ever did/said. What does their logic lead to? Total intolerance like that of the Westboro Baptist Church? Where does it end..........if anywhere? Whatever your beliefs, religious fanaticism is one of the greatest evils of modern society. In 11 days we're going to mark the 9th anniversary of an event that supports that statement pretty well. And what about Oklahoma City? How about Waco? Sadness in the name of God. So what did The Rolling Stones ever do to you? Help you have a good time? Yeah, me too. Damn my evil ways.

[Astrid Kirchherr65]

Originally Posted by Magic If they are, it doesn't matter to me. What would matter to me, though, is if they began growing horns on their heads, huge teeth, and began eating small children/animals for sacrifice... That would be the day I would run for cover

Hey ,Didn't Keef say he snorted his dad's ashes ?
Yeah then he said he was joking...

Ok Keef you lil Devil

No more Goofy Goobers fer you !

[Groovy Man]

Originally Posted by DaKillerWolf That said , As long as it does no harm to others do what thou wilt .

Originally Posted by Astrid Kirchherr65 I agree with on all points

All points, huh?

So, you agree with ''do what thou wilt''?