Reincarnation

[Groovy Man]

Originally Posted by Thumper Well you kinda just confirmed what I said above Bro.. Your personal conquest to find God is what you have done.. God = religion.. So you had to base your beliefs on some denomination of religion.

By saying this, it's obviously you didn't understand what I was saying. I wasn't talking denomanation or religion at all. But, that's ok. If you don't mind, I'm out of this conversation.

It's all good, Thumper.

[jackory]

Jesus himself said "God is One". If that is true, it means that God is everything, in everything and "everything" itself. It's only within time and space that duality exists. Our bodies are locked into time and space. Our spirits are not. So, outside of time and space we reside in God, and are truly a part of God, and indeed, God Him/Her/Itself.

Religion has a purpose in this life, and I would not presume to denigrate it. It's an anchor that keeps man from losing sanity in the contemplation of "lofty things"...all of which can be boiled down to the mysteries of time and space..it's almost as if we are strangers in a strange world, confused by the situation we've found ourselves in. Jesus also said that this world is not our home. He wasn't talking about the planet earth or even the universe. Not even reality as we know it. He was talking about the physical realm of time and space. IMO, of course.

The soul is personalized energy. It is a manifestation of positive energy, while the ego is the manifestation of negative energy. This is the conflict that determines our health, well-being, emotional and mental stability, basically every aspect of our personality.

Spirit, on the other hand, is the Self behind all of that. The Observer. The Experiencer. Consciousness. Awareness. The driving force behind all life. You can't "have a spirit". Spirit has you. You can have a soul, but only because it's a tool that Spirit uses to accomplish It's ends.

I've always been fascinated by the ongoing disagreement between those who believe in Calvinistic predestination and Armenian free will. Just another enigma of duality. Nothing but methods of trying to understand things that man was not meant to understand. I guess that's pretty much what religion is all about, but you gotta start somewhere. With it or against it, at least it's a catalyst.

I'm sorry to see you leave the conversation, GM, as I am sure your perspective is important to the discussion.

[jackory]

It's amazing to me how different Eastern thought is from Western philosophies. But the core of practically all religions is Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The Golden Rules seems to be universal.

And the Ten Commandments are common sense, pure and simple.

[Hepcat]

Originally Posted by FoxyPage One thing that came to mind was fears. I find it kinda strange how people are afraid of some things for unexplained reasons. I am not afraid of sharks but I immediately freeze and my anxiety starts up whenever I see a pic of a great white shark with an open mouth.....I don't know why, it just happened randomly a few years ago. I was never afraid of it before and watched all the Jaws movies but I was surfing the net one night and saw a picture of a shark coming out of the water with it's mouth open and I literally froze and almost cried, it was so ****ing weird. It got me wondering that, if I ever lived a past life, I could have been eaten by a shark or bitten by one (as lulzy as that sounds). It's just really strange how it came out of nowhere.....it may have triggered a past memory? I don't know. There was a story here in the summer where an 11 year old kid had dreams of being a pilot and getting shot down in WW2. This kid knew the plane model and kept having this same dream that he was a pilot getting shot down. It was determined that this kid was the reincarnation of a real pilot who was shot down in a plane. My grade 8 teacher went on a trip to England and she had never been there before but she knew the streets and exactly where to go.

1. With respect to your sudden fear of a shark's teeth, we're designed to instinctively fear sharp teeth. It's a valuable survival mechanism - meaning you're neurons are firing like they should.

2. With respect to the eleven year old kid and the grade eight teacher, in almost every case the simplest explanation for a phenomenon is the best one - meaning don't posit anymore to explain the phenomenon than is absolutely necessary.

Therefore, I'd guess that the eleven year old kid either saw or read something at some point that he does not consciously remember.

With respect to the school teacher, I'd say she was just plain lucky and guessed right.

No need to posit an explanation as complex as reincarnation therefore. In fact, even telepathy or thought transference would be a less involved and consequently more credible explanation than reincarnation.

[Flower]

Originally Posted by Hepcat With respect to the school teacher, I'd say she was just plain lucky and guessed right

I don't think that reincarnation is responsible for someone's precognition.

Or Hepcat can be correct and luck played a factor in creating the right choices.

[Tray73]

Originally Posted by FoxyPage Anyone else ever wonder about this? I tried to have this convo with my dad but he's really religious so you can't really talk to him about anything because he's all YOU WILL DIE AND THEN STAND BEFORE GOD AS HE CHOOSES WHETHER YOU GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL so I figured I could try it here. One thing that came to mind was fears. I find it kinda strange how people are afraid of some things for unexplained reasons. I am not afraid of sharks but I immediately freeze and my anxiety starts up whenever I see a pic of a great white shark with an open mouth.....I don't know why, it just happened randomly a few years ago. I was never afraid of it before and watched all the Jaws movies but I was surfing the net one night and saw a picture of a shark coming out of the water with it's mouth open and I literally froze and almost cried, it was so ****ing weird. It got me wondering that, if I ever lived a past life, I could have been eaten by a shark or bitten by one (as lulzy as that sounds). It's just really strange how it came out of nowhere.....it may have triggered a past memory? I don't know. There was a story here in the summer where an 11 year old kid had dreams of being a pilot and getting shot down in WW2. This kid knew the plane model and kept having this same dream that he was a pilot getting shot down. It was determined that this kid was the reincarnation of a real pilot who was shot down in a plane. My grade 8 teacher went on a trip to England and she had never been there before but she knew the streets and exactly where to go. Anyways, what do you think? Have you had any experiences that make you wonder about stuff like this? I found the story about the kid and the pilot stuff: The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot

I'm a big believer in reincarnation, and I have often wondered myself if some irrational fears people have (where there has been no incident to set the fear off) is carried over from a previous life. I personally am effected by emetophobia (fear of vomit) and have been as long as I remember. I remember being terrified when I was about five when a kid in my class at school threw up, even though she was at the other side of the room. I had never had any bad experiences up to that age with vomiting and my mum said I was very rarely sick even as a baby, so why even at such a young age did it frighten me?

I have seen tv programmes about past life regression - one man had an irrational fear of knives and blades - hypnosis took him back to a previous life where fought in the Napoleonic Wars and died after being injured by a sword. When names and details were checked out with the information he gave under hypnosis, everything tallied - sure he could have read all about it, but the information he gave was so little known and he would have had to do very deep research to find out some of the stuff he talked about. He said he'd never even read about the wars.

I've seen the pilot story on tv before and read about it. I find it all fascinating, especially when young children babble on about their 'other' lives.
An old work mate, once told me about her young daughter. She was only three at the time and she and her mum were travelling in the car going to visit a relative who had moved to a village in the next county, to a place neither of them had been to before. As they approached the village, my workmate's daughter started chatting away about a big red house next to a park, and asked if she could go and feed the ducks in the pond there. My friend told her that they had never been there before and she must be getting confused. And her daughter replied, "I have mummy when I used to live with my other family". My friend just thought her daughter had an overactive imagination until she turned the corner and passed a big old red brick house next to parkland, complete with a duck pond! She said she was absolutely gobsmacked!

Originally Posted by Tray73 I'm a big believer in reincarnation, and I have often wondered myself if some irrational fears people have (where there has been no incident to set the fear off) is carried over from a previous life. I personally am effected by emetophobia (fear of vomit) and have been as long as I remember. I remember being terrified when I was about five when a kid in my class at school threw up, even though she was at the other side of the room. I had never had any bad experiences up to that age with vomiting and my mum said I was very rarely sick even as a baby, so why even at such a young age did it frighten me? I have seen tv programmes about past life regression - one man had an irrational fear of knives and blades - hypnosis took him back to a previous life where fought in the Napoleonic Wars and died after being injured by a sword. When names and details were checked out with the information he gave under hypnosis, everything tallied - sure he could have read all about it, but the information he gave was so little known and he would have had to do very deep research to find out some of the stuff he talked about. He said he'd never even read about the wars. I've seen the pilot story on tv before and read about it. I find it all fascinating, especially when young children babble on about their 'other' lives. An old work mate, once told me about her young daughter. She was only three at the time and she and her mum were travelling in the car going to visit a relative who had moved to a village in the next county, to a place neither of them had been to before. As they approached the village, my workmate's daughter started chatting away about a big red house next to a park, and asked if she could go and feed the ducks in the pond there. My friend told her that they had never been there before and she must be getting confused. And her daughter replied, "I have mummy when I used to live with my other family". My friend just thought her daughter had an overactive imagination until she turned the corner and passed a big old red brick house next to parkland, complete with a duck pond! She said she was absolutely gobsmacked!

Wow, cool post!

I can't help but believe that a past like has to do with unexplained fears. It just seems silly that people would be afraid of something just because. There has to be a reason for it, like it triggers a terrible memory, like when someone gets bitten by a dog and they fear dogs after because the attack pops back in their head.